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Post by Mr. Thomas on Sept 18, 2013 10:37:03 GMT -5
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Post by hankmichels on Sept 18, 2013 18:31:33 GMT -5
D. “So he prayed and Athena heard his prayer but would not yet appear to him undisguised. She stood in awe of her fathers brother, lord of the sea, who still seethed on, still churning with rage against the great Odysseus until he reached his native land.” (Line 361-365 b 5) I find this quote really interesting. It states that Athena is afraid of Poseidon, her fathers brother, and she wont directly help Odysseus because of that. The line also does a great job of describing poseidons rage by saying he seethed on and was churning with rage. Even though It means Athena is afraid of him, it says she was in awe. So that means there is a fear/respect thing going on.
B. I feel like this is a somewhat important chapter in the Odyssey. Nothing seems to unique or special in this chapter but it kind of hints that things are going to change for odysseus and that he might be shown some good hospitality in the next chapter. He might finally get one peaceful night of rest in a bed, even though he had a “Blessed sleep that sealed it eyes at last” (Line 545) in book 5
E. I thought that it was interesting how Athena chose nausica to be the one to help Odysseus. There is probably a couple thousand people living on the island and decides to choose “Nausicca, daughter of king Alcinous” (line 20). There must be a specific reason behind that. Athena must want Odysseus to meet with the king or queen to help him on his journey
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Sept 18, 2013 19:29:55 GMT -5
Jackson Hill
C. My first question is why did the bright-eyed goddess help Nausicca? Did she owe her father some kind of debt, or was it out of true kindness from the bottom of her heart. “ Nausicaa, how could your mother bear a careless girl like you? Look at your fine clothes, lying here neglected—with your marriage not far off, the day you should be decked in all your glory and offer elegant dress to those who form your escort. That’s how a bride’s good name goes out across the world and it brings her father and queenly mother joy. Come, let’s go wash these clothes at the break of day—I’ll help you, lend a hand, and the work will fly… So come, the first thing in the morning press your kingly father to harness the mules ad wagon for you, all to carry your sashes, dresses, glossy spreads for your bed.” Why would random god just helps this girl, there must be some reasoning to this. Why would this god come and offer good advice to this helpless girl.
D. One of my most favorite quotes is, “ With that the bright-eyed goddess sped away to Olympus, where, they say, the gods’ eternal mansion stands unmoved, never rocked by galewinds, never drenched by rains, nor do the drifting snows assail it, no, the clear air stretches away without a cloud, and great radiance plays across the world where the blithe gods live all their days in bliss.” I really liked this quote because I thought it was very well written and also very descriptive, and I was able to imagine a tall mansion that was unmovable.
E. I think that the fact that the bright-eyed goddess helped Nausicaa was kind of interesting. I was confused on why she helped her in the first place. While it is a great act of kindness, why, why help this girl at such a random time.
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Post by richteri16 on Sept 18, 2013 19:31:39 GMT -5
B. On lines 27-44 Pallas goes to influence Nausicaa to go to the beach with her maidens to get herself looking good so she can find a husband. Nausicaa listens to her and goes down with her maidens to clean up themselves and their clothes. Then they come across Odysseus who washed up on the beach. All of the maidens run away but Nausicaa stays. She turns out to get him some clothes and invite him back to the city. If Pallas had not gone to Nausicaa then she would have not gone to the beach at all. Then Odysseus would not have been found. He probably would have died there. This is a very important part of the story because Odysseus is saved and can continue his quest.
E. I was surprised at how Odysseus greets Nausicaa. On line 163 Odysseus starts to talk to her and almost seems to flatter or hit on her. He even asks “Are you a goddess or a mortal?”. This is quite interesting because it reaffirms Odysseus’s ability of being very good at swindling people with his words. I think that he could care less about the girl in front of him. He is just flattering him so he can get her to help him.
C. I am a little skeptical of Nausicaa’s idea on line 340. She is telling him to go plead with her parents so that they can help him go home. I have a bad feeling about this because Odysseus is just some random guy that washed up on the beach to them. Why should he be trusted? I am just not too sure that this idea will go to plan.
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Post by idelfonsoe16 on Sept 18, 2013 20:09:24 GMT -5
C. I don’t understand how Athena gives the king’s daughter courage. Why would Athena give it to a royal daughter? Does she already know about Odysseus’ long journey ahead? Did she predict that Odysseus would meet the king’s daughter on the beach? Why give courage to a woman like herself? The gods probably pondered over who to give Athena’s courage to. Also, why is the king’s daughter wishing to marry a man like Odysseus? She can do exactly what Calypso had done to Odysseus, and force him to be with her. That would be bad, but it’s efficient if you’re royalty and looking to be with someone.
E. Odysseus really revealed his true colors in this book. He revealed his persuasive, talkative chatter while charming the king’s daughter, to help him find a way home. He seemed like he was using her just to get out of there. I hope he doesn’t throw her away, though. She seems like she can be of good use to Odysseus. Even if Odysseus were to give up on returning home, he could just marry her and be royal for the rest of his lifetime. He could leave his Trojan War past self behind, and start his live anew in these foreign lands.
F. I think Athena and Odysseus have a “special connection” in this book because it seems as if Athena is “watching over” Odysseus as he barely escapes Poseidon’s wrath. Athena tends to watch Odysseus pick and choose his battles, and she enjoys watching him trying to survive. I guess she believes that Odysseus can actually make it back home!
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Post by michaelgenco on Sept 18, 2013 21:51:55 GMT -5
C. When Nausikaa is touched by Odysseus’ speech and wants to help him in any way he can; why does she want her maids to come and help him take a bath? I understand that Odysseus has been away for many years, but why would he need people to bathe him? Is that a sign of caring? Also why does the Queen’s opinion count so much? Why did the bright-eyed goddess help Nausicca? Why would she want her to get married? Why did Athena go through Nausicca’s dreams instead of talking to her in person? Would it be weird and or scary for a goddess to come down from the heavens and talk to you or would it be safer to have it in your dreams?
D. I also agree with Hank on my favorite quote of this reading: “So he prayed and Athena heard his prayer but would not yet appear to him undisguised. She stood in awe of her fathers brother, lord of the sea, who still seethed on, still churning with rage against the great Odysseus until he reached his native land.” I thought that this quote was important because it basically sums up the sections that we read in a sentence. Poseidon, Athena’s brother, dislikes Odysseus with a passion. As a result, Poseidon tries to kill him, but Athena is there to save Odysseus’s life. This also shows how angry and intense Poseidon is about Odysseus, and how much he wants him dead.
I. (In response to Hank Michaels) I also thought that it was interesting that Athena chose Nausicaa over everyone on that island. There were thousands of people and she choose her.
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Post by duffyl on Sept 18, 2013 22:02:50 GMT -5
Liam Duffy
D. “He launched in at once, endearing, sly and suave: Here I am at your mercy, princess- are you a goddess or a mortal? If one of the gods who rule the skies up there, you’re Artemis to the life, daughter of mighty Zeus.” This quote shows Odysseus flirting with Nausicaa telling her how beautiful she is. But is he really telling the truth? Or is he trying to take advantage of her to get help.
E Athena seems to be portrayed as Odysseus’ guardian angel. She helped get onto the island and escape from Poseidon, and getting Nausicaa to give him directions to the palace. Odysseus even prays to Athena at one point. Will Athena be watching over Odysseus over the rest of his journey?
C I don’t understand why Athena had to appear in Nausicaa’s dream. Why did Nausicaa have to give Odysseus directions to the palace? Why couldn’t Athena just do it?
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Sept 18, 2013 22:17:06 GMT -5
C. I am a little worries with Nausicca’s idea on line 335-341. The plan is that Odysseus will go up and speak to them. I don't this will turn out well because Odysseus is aa stranger to that land and does still not know if he is fully welcome or not.
E. I was surprised at the facts that they treat Nausicca like a goddess. Right away in lines 163-163 Odysseus asked if she was a “goddess or mortal”. But lets remember he does this to purposely flatter them so he could possibly get something.
F. I really think that Athena and Odysseus have a special connection in the book because they are always with each other. In the end or stories Athena is always there getting her Odysseus out of trouble and saving the day for him. She is like a mother figure to him.
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Post by kkhurana70 on Sept 18, 2013 22:19:14 GMT -5
I- duffyl I agree with you on your questioning of Odysseus’ compliments to Nausicca because in the past he has complimented others in order to gain something in return or to ensure he is getting whatever he was already told he would receive, for example he told Calypso she was the most beautiful women and that she was much prettier than his wife in order to secure the decision she made of letting him go and giving him the supplies he would need for his journey. This made me think Odysseus is trying to gain as much help as he can no matter what it takes. C-Some questions that came to me while reading were; why did she choose Nausicca? Why did Athena come to Nausicca in her dreams instead of directly confronting her? Why did the bright-eyed goddess help Nausicca and want her to get married? Why did Nausicca help Odysseus? And why wasn’t there security with the princess? F- The relationship between Odysseus and Athena has become closer and closer because little by little Athena is helping Odysseus more, and is almost like his guardian angel or protector. I find this interesting because at first she would help him minimally, then she gradually increased her efforts until she basically helps him in every way possible and in her abilities. I think this shows that Athena sees more in Odysseus than just good heart, and character but maybe something deeper or something that needs to be refined in order for it to truly show and reach its full potential. |
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Post by petergiglio on Sept 18, 2013 22:19:44 GMT -5
F. I feel like nausicaa and Odysseus already have sort of feelings for each other and Odysseus actually means what he says rather than just saying it cause he wants clothing. Also, now that nausicaa sees Odysseus cleaned up she actually has an attraction to him and thinks to herself that maybe he could be her husband and he landed on this island to meet her and get married which is why the goddess made her go clean her clothes at the river where Odysseus was staying. It seems like the gods have a plan for both of them.
C. What confused me is why is this place seems to be so different from everywhere else. Also they talk about a cyclops in the beginning of the book and it seems like those lines have a purpose but they are miss placed or meant to be in another part of the story. I feel like Odysseus and the cyclops meet but not yet and at that part in the book, that information is useless.
G. If I were Odysseus I would seriously think about marrying this princess and staying at Phaeica because there is no definite chance he is going to ever see his wife again plus the stuff he has to deal with with Poseidon. This seems like a Safe bet to me. Cause she really seems like she wants to marry him. Plus it sounds like she is pretty hot and her dad is a king. I would stay put and live out my life there
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Post by vazquezm16 on Sept 18, 2013 22:33:25 GMT -5
C. I was confused at why Athena changed the way Odysseus looked. I was not sure if it was a way to possibly disguise him from Poseidon or any of his followers who may have been on the island. I think one of the other reasons she may have changed the way he looked was to possibly impress the king since he is an adventurer he needs to look tougher.
D. I really enjoyed the lines when Odysseus was waking up after washing up on the island. “Man of misery, whose land have I lit on now? What are they here-violent, savage, lawless? Or friendly to strangers, god-fearing men?” “Up with you now, see how the land lies, see for yourself now…” I liked this quote because it showed how Odysseus felt after being attacked by Poseidon for so long. He is almost giving up and just wondering what the next ordeal he will have to go through will be. Odysseus is then surprised to learn that there are girls and not yet another person trying to kill him.
E. I found the quote of Odysseus complimenting Alcinous’ daughter. “Here I am at your mercy, princess-are you a goddess or a mortal? If one of the gods who rule the skies up there you’re Artemis to the life, the daughter of the mighty Zeus-I see her now-just look at your build, your bearing, your lithe flowing grace…” I was not sure if Odysseus was complimenting her because he was afraid of what might happen if she became angry and called someone to attack him or because he wanted to get on her good side and try to make the best of the situation.
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Post by jotirmoykundu on Sept 19, 2013 2:45:44 GMT -5
C. What I didn’t get from Book 6 is why Athena empowers the king’s daughter’s courage. Why give it to the daughter/princess? Why did she give courage to a woman that’s already so high up? Is she aware about Odysseus’ long journey ahead? Did she already know that Odysseus would meet the princess? I think the God’s discussed who’d she give the courage to and decided upon the princess. Also, why is the king’s daughter aiming so low and wishing to marry a man like Odysseus when she can do what Calypso did to Odysseus and force him to be with her. That would be in the best of interest, but it’s realistic to her since she’s royalty and looking to have him.
E. What I thought and found interesting was how Athena chose “Nausicca, daughter of king Alcinous” (line 20) to help Odysseus. There is without a doubt over a thousand people living on that island, but she decides to choose Nausicca .There must be a reason behind that. Athena must want Odysseus to meet with the king or queen to help him on his journey, but what’s interesting is she eventually falls in love with Odysseus.
F- The relationship between Odysseus and Athena became closer and tighter because step by step Athena is helping Odysseus and caring for him to help him get home safely. This is something else to me because at first, she didn't want to help him at all, but then over time she basically helps him in every way possible. This evidently shows that Athena sees more in Odysseus than just good soul, but something that needs to reach its full potential to see the truth.
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Post by nvanible on Sept 19, 2013 3:59:20 GMT -5
D. When Athena hears Odysseus’ prayer, “So he prayed and Athena heard his prayer but would not yet appear to him undisguised. She stood in awe of her Father’s brother, lord of the sea who still seethed on, still churning with rage against the great Odysseus till he reached his native land,” I liked because it gave some insight of what is going on. Other than the whole Odysseus ordeal in the town, we as the audience are getting an update of what is going on outside of Odysseus’ life that is yet to come later on throughout the story. In addition, it gave some foreshadowing, which allows me to predict on the next few scenes of what is to come in the upcoming chapters.
E. When Odysseus stated, “Despair to their enemies, a joy to all their friends. Their own best claim to glory,” I felt like he was explaining a little bit about his experience on this epic, yet treacherous and tiresome journey of his. I was confused by this at first, but then thought he might be trying to convey a message by expressing his feelings on the subject at hand; saying that a person can gain joy through the love of others and even get by the hardships of conflicts, can still be happy.
C. When Odysseus’ asks the question, “Man of misery, whose land have I lit on now? What are they here-violent, savage, lawless,” I know he was confused of about where he was and assumed it was this new god forsaken place that he was brought to. However, did he wake up to that place or did Athena take him there? If Athena got him there, shouldn’t he have known about it then, therefore making his hesitation a bit more questionable as a whole?
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Post by Mr. Thomas on Sept 19, 2013 9:24:59 GMT -5
Matthew Baker
C. One question I have is as to why Athena is trying to manipulate Nausicaa to get to Odysseus. Is Athena against Odysseus too like Poseidon? I thought it was pretty mainulative of Athena to attack her while she is most vulnerable which is asleep and pretend to be a friend of here. That just seems so messed up to me. Another question I have is are Odysseus and Nausicaa the only ones on the Phaecian island. According to the text it makes it seem as if there is nobody else on the island but them; however, there could be a lot of people on the island for all we as the readers know.
E. One character that definitely struck my interest in Nausicaa. Nausicaa caught my interest in the beginning of the book Athena appeared as one of her good friends in her dream. In the dream Athena persuades Nausicaa to wash her clothes in order for guys to be more attracted to her. Although it might seem like a generous gesture Athena still has a plan. Another reason I think that Nausicaa is an interesting character is simply because of her name; Nausicaa. My guesses would be Nausicaa derives from something related to water because of the 'Nau' prefix.
G. If I were Nausicaa I would feel very confused. Based on the reading I can assume that Nausicaa is not that attractive of a girl. So I would be confused as to why my friend in my dream told me to spruce myself up for the men because I would usually never try to look good for a guy on the Phaecian island.
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Post by Mr. Thomas on Sept 19, 2013 9:26:24 GMT -5
John Wagner
C. What caused me some confusion was when in the beginning of the story, they talked about Nausithous. It confused me because it was worded very weirdly. Another thing that confused me was when the princess was talking about the ships and the people in the town. Does she want to marry him? She was speaking in such detail about what everyone was gonna say if they road on the wagon together.
E. I feel that Oddesues is the luckiest bastard in the world. Not only does he get saved by a God he doesn't know, Ino, Athena then again helps him get to an island. She then works some more magic by having the Princess find him and bath him and feed him. Oddesues now looks like he is a god because Athena made him look stronger and his hair look better. that is why I think Oddesues is the luckiest man alive.
G. If I was Athena I would feel like the the smartest God there is. Not only did she save Oddesues behind Posiedons back, She also got all of the other Gods to show him mercy. She also gets the princess to help him out by going into her dreams and telling her to go to the river where she will find him. But what I still want to know is why? Why does she want to help him out? Has he done anything for her? Or does she have something planned for him.
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