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Post by Mr. Thomas on May 27, 2014 10:16:35 GMT -5
"Out, damned spot!"
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Post by michaelgenco on May 27, 2014 16:45:21 GMT -5
D. I really liked how ironic and wry the scene of Lady Macbeth when she was sleep walking. Lady Macbeth said, “ Out, damned spot! Out, I say! One, two. Why then ’tis time to do’t. Hell is murky. Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account? Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him?” (Act 5 scene 1). I thought that this quote was very ironic to becoming from Lady Macbeth. She says that she wants to wash her hands from this whole mess, but she is the one who started it. It seems like Lady Macbeth is afraid of the consequences after unleashing Macbeth on his rampage.
I.Like we said in class, I believe in what Mr. Thomas was talking about the theory about emotions that if we store them away they will eventually be released by angry or dreams. We see this with Lady Macbeth when she was sleep walking expressing all of the things that she wants to confess, but cannot because it will start a war in Scotland. We also see this in Macbeth in that he goes crazy and scared that someone will find out about his secret.
C. I am confused that the Doctor and the Gentlewoman weren’t as worried as I thought they would be. If I was one of them I would be so scared I would run out of the castle.
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Post by richteri16 on May 27, 2014 17:35:04 GMT -5
E. I thought that Shakespeare really nailed the depiction of Lady Macbeth sleepwalking. Apparently she is having a night terror type experience here. I can tell you that he nailed it. The way she was walking around and speaking frantically are all signs. She was just sounding like she was out of her mind. This is exactly what happens to someone experiencing a night terror. I thought this was really cool how Shakespeare got that close to the real thing. I. I agree with michaelgenco on choice D. I really seems that Lady Macbeth’s world is falling on top of her. She has nobody to vent to and she feels bad. The thing is thought is that she is the one complaining. She was the one who started it after all. Now she wishes that she did not do it. But it’s too late… C. I am surprised Macduff did not breakdown into an emotional mess right there on the spot when he found out that his family had been slaughtered. I mean that is a really emotionally traumatizing event to experience. |
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Post by stephanoscocoves on May 27, 2014 17:59:12 GMT -5
C. I was confused at why the doctor was so worried about Lady Macbeth. All she was doing was sleep walking if it was life threatening they would had woken her up or something, they simply just observed her. D. I thought the Shakespeare portrayed Lady Macbeths sleep walking scene well. He did a good job of before his time understand the idea of burying your emotion and then having them appear in your dream. I. I agree with richteri16 on his E response. It was very well done. I feel like her sleep walking will lead up to something very bad for Macbeth. Could this scene possibly be a warning for macbeth? |
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Post by idelfonsoe16 on May 27, 2014 18:41:29 GMT -5
C.Who is the little boy sounding guy that is residing within the castle? Is he of any nobility or importance to Macbeth? I feel as if the doctor and the person observing Lady Macbeth found out what really happened to Duncan and the others. Have these people not gained the knowledge that sleep walking is normal? They are so amazed to see and hear Lady Macbeth Sleepwalking, it’s almost as if they are observing her sleep! That would be creepy, but well deserved of thought. The doctor left amazed and shocked at the sight of it. Does Lady Macbeth have any recollection of her experiences sleep walking? It would be weird if she doesn’t.
I. I also agree with what mikeyG said in his I response. The emotional theory really seems logical, not the Oedipus lifestyle. I like how it engages you to think about past dreams you had, and if any emotions were suppressed and were expressed in your dreams. I don’t want to try, because suppressing emotions sucks, but it ought to be pretty cool.
D. Lady Macbeth cracks, the unsex me stuff no longer works, now does it? OHHH!!!! THAT’S THE SUPPRESSED EMOTIONS!!! THE UNSEX ME STUFF IS THE SUPPRESSED EMOTIONS. All this time, Lady Macbeth has been suppressing her feminism, and it’s finally back to haunt her. She’s finally getting paid in full now! I can’t believe I figured it out mid post. Embarrassing. Anyway, that’s my theory, her sleepwalking is due to her “manlyhood” taking away her feminism.
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Post by rozzayhill007 on May 27, 2014 19:40:15 GMT -5
Jackson Hill
I. I agree with what Michael G. said in his letter I response. If we store our emotions too long they will build up and at one point or another it will all come out at once but not in a good way. Like seen with Macbeth he became crazy after keeping all these secrets and emotions stored inside of him.
E. Honestly I was surprised that Macduff was not as mad to the news about the deaths in his family. He was sad but not as mad as most people would be. He didn't show that much emotion other than sadness and grief, no anger or wanting to get revenge on whoever killed his wife and kids. If I were Macduff and I found out that people in my family had been murdered I would want to get immediate revenge on the killer.
C. The part when Lady Macbeth is sleep walking confuses me a little. Why are the two people so concerned with the fact that Lady Macbeth is sleep walking. I know that the doctor is kind of suspicious but what could he be suspicious of like he couldn't know anything about any of the deaths could he?
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Post by raypark on May 27, 2014 21:09:38 GMT -5
E. In this scene we see that Ross comes to see Malcolm and Macduff in England and he has a conversation with them. Macduff doesn't know yet that his wife and kids have been brutally slaughtered and Ross comes in and completely breaks it to Macduff. I have great sympathy for Macduff, he loved his wife and kids so much. When he heard the news, he even blamed himself about their death. He thought that if he was there with them, then they would be alive. But Malcolm says something that really shows the path of where this story is going, "Be this the whetstone of your sword, let grief Convert to anger. Blunt not the heart, enrage it." He says this to Macduff because he is so depressed about this fact. He even asks for some space to mourn for their deaths.
C. I just dont understand why Malcolm can't give Macduff a break. Macduff's whole family was completely and brutally slaughtered and he almost ignores their deaths and only sees this as fuel for the fire. Can he not sympathize with Macduff? Also why is it that all of a sudden she dreams about the night of King Duncan's death? Is this a foreshadow of that Lady macbeth will also lose her mind just so like Macbeth?
I. I agree with Eric Ildefonso that Lady Macbeth has been surpressing her emotions and it will eventually come back to haunt her.
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Post by hankmichels on May 28, 2014 17:51:12 GMT -5
E. I really like the symbolism that is shown in lady Macbeths sleepwalking. She is an extremely unlikeable character who just made me angry at the beginning. She seemed so calmly evil, if that’s a thing. She is supposed to be Mc B’s wife and to love him, but she comes across as this power lusting creep who wants demons to “unsex” her or what ever. Anyways so here she seems to finally loose it- in her sleep. So she is not consciously aware she is doing this, but she is doing it none the less. I guess she is just doing such a good job of hiding her inner depression and guilt while awake, that it comes back so strong in her sleep that it controls her and she physically acts out what she is doing.
I. I agree with idelfons16 “C.Who is the little boy sounding guy that is residing within the castle? Is he of any nobility or importance to Macbeth? I feel as if the doctor and the person observing Lady Macbeth found out what really happened to Duncan and the others. Have these people not gained the knowledge that sleep walking is normal? They are so amazed to see and hear Lady Macbeth Sleepwalking, it’s almost as if they are observing her sleep! That would be creepy, but well deserved of thought. The doctor left amazed and shocked at the sight of it. Does Lady Macbeth have any recollection of her experiences sleep walking? It would be weird if she doesn’t.” there seems to be a lot of random servant boys that have no business working with the Macbeths.
c. why did ross not tell macduff about his family immediately. That was strange.
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Post by Jotirmoy Kundu on May 28, 2014 19:04:37 GMT -5
I. I agree with Hank Michaels "E. I really like the symbolism that is shown in lady Macbeths sleepwalking. She is an extremely unlikeable character who just made me angry at the beginning. She seemed so calmly evil, if that’s a thing. She is supposed to be Mc B’s wife and to love him, but she comes across as this power lusting creep who wants demons to “unsex” her or what ever. Anyways so here she seems to finally loose it- in her sleep. So she is not consciously aware she is doing this, but she is doing it none the less. I guess she is just doing such a good job of hiding her inner depression and guilt while awake, that it comes back so strong in her sleep that it controls her and she physically acts out what she is doing."
C. What I didnt get in this part of the reading is the part when Lady Macbeth is sleep walking. Why is the doctor so concerned with the fact that Lady Macbeth is sleep walking. I know that the doctor knows shes the murderer, but he couldnt do anything or else he would be murdered so he stayed shut.
D. In this part of the reading, I thought the Shakespeare wrote out the sleep walking scene pretty well, despite it being confusing. He showed it really well
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Post by zaysofly on Jun 2, 2014 21:40:46 GMT -5
D: I though it was really funny how both of the two guys, Malcolm and Macduff were both testing each other. it reminded me of a common dispute between two friends who test each other to see if the can actually be friends. For example, one friend might ask, do you like the yankees, and maybe if the other friend does like the yankees he will change his answer as soon as he gets a response, and they will keep testing each other on and on to see if they can be friends. Also, i don't think it was smart for Malcolm to be outside, mainly because his head is wanted and he should stay home, which brings more suspicion to him. We see in act 5 that not only has the guilt and shame been eating at macbeth, it has also been eating away at lady macbeth, however for lady macbeth, it only shows at night, when she is dreaming. I really like the way shakespear wrote this scene because lady macbeth is metaphorically washing her hands of the blood of her victims, and yet the blood won't come off, which is why she can't sleep or get it off of her mind. Very Phycological.
C: Why does the doctor speak so mean to macbeth, maybe everyone has just lost utter respect for him.
F: If i were lady macbeth i would feel really guilty. I would also feel really dirty, physically and mentally.
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