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Post by Mr. Thomas on May 14, 2014 12:10:25 GMT -5
"Fly, Fleance!"
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Post by rozzayhill007 on May 14, 2014 18:53:09 GMT -5
I. In response to what was said in class about what might happen to Fleance, I think that Macbeth might do some type of harm to Fleance so that the witches prophecy cannot come true in saying that Banquo's heirs will become kings. I think if this was done however Lady Macbeth might become suspicious of Macbeth and maybe tell others what he has done because this is getting to out of hand and he is becoming a mad man. I was wondering also where Fleance might be at this point in the book.
E. I think that Macbeth hiring a third murderer was a smart idea because it ensured that there would be death during the mission. I am surprised that the two other murderers didn't react differently, but they did get half of the job done.
F. I think that Macbeth not telling Lady Macbeth about wanting to murder Banquo was a good idea because she might have been able to stop him from doing it or maybe warn Banquo of this. However I think that him doing this might ruin their relationship because it shows that Macbeth does not completely trust Lady Macbeth enough to tell her his plans. She might become upset and possibly tell others that it was Macbeth who killed Duncan and not the guards.
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Post by idelfonsoe16 on May 14, 2014 19:29:52 GMT -5
C. WHY CAN’T WE HEAR THE GHOST OF BANQUO!?!? COME ON THAT WOULD’VE SHOWN COMPLETE INSANITY!!!! That was a really shaky part in the play. The fact that the Ghost of Banquo sat on the throne and pretty much “talked” to Macbeth really shook things up. Maybe he was talking about how they were best friends, and that the witches were right about some things. It was really intriguing to find out that Banquo was still in the midst of the play, regardless the fact that mercenaries were sent to kill him. I felt bad for Banquo actually because he didn’t deserve to die. Macbeth deserves death, and no prophecy should ever destroy bonds.
I. I disagree with Jackson’s I response. Fleance escaped and is probably really far from Macbeth’s kingdom. In order to hurt him now, he’d have to personally find him and kill him himself, which wouldn’t be a great idea. He’s just getting deeper and deeper in a hole he can’t get out of. Let Fleance find Donaldbain and Malcomb!
E. I liked how The Ghost of Banquo was included in the scene, to show the audience how insane he is now. It is such a sad story how a reputable war hero has now become a notorious scum who will do whatever it takes to have more power than he already has. The bond between Macbeth and Banquo is completely shattered once Banquo appears at the party, only to Macbeth’s eyes. Banquo is gone, but definitely not forgotten.
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Post by stephanoscocoves on May 14, 2014 20:44:13 GMT -5
C. I'm confused at if the ghost of banquo was something that was just something that he was imagining, or something that the three witches from the beginning had summoned on him or something. Because this isnt the first time Macbeth has had a vision like this, before he was about to kill duncan he had the same experience.
E. I like how Macbeth is actually going insane. I thought that the power wouldnt get to him, but it really has. Especially when he sees the ghost of banquo. I couldnt imagine him breaking down.
I. I agree with eric's c response. He really would have freaked out if he could hear the ghost of banquo. Kind of like in star wars where they could hear the ghosts.
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Post by hessd16 on May 14, 2014 20:47:47 GMT -5
E. “O treachery! Fly, good Fleance, fly, fly, fly! Thou may ’st revenge —O slave!” (Act 3 Scene 3) The murders messed up they let the son getaway. the son should have been top priority to kill. it seems like these murderers are a bit under trained.
C. Maybe its just me but when we read in class at the end of scene 3 about Fleance escaping, I expected Macbeth to be much more reactive than he initially was.i was expecting him to go crazy I was unsure why he did not react like i thought he would.
A. In class we talked a lot about Macbeth becoming power crazy. Also, his craziness and desire for him to be the ultimate and only possible king is an interesting component to this story.
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Post by Jotirmoy Kundu on May 14, 2014 21:24:16 GMT -5
I. In this section of the reading, I agree with Idelfonsoe16: “C. WHY CAN’T WE HEAR THE GHOST OF BANQUO!?!? COME ON THAT WOULD’VE SHOWN COMPLETE INSANITY!!!! That was a really shaky part in the play. The fact that the Ghost of Banquo sat on the throne and pretty much “talked” to Macbeth really shook things up. Maybe he was talking about how they were best friends, and that the witches were right about some things. It was really intriguing to find out that Banquo was still in the midst of the play, regardless the fact that mercenaries were sent to kill him. I felt bad for Banquo actually because he didn’t deserve to die. Macbeth deserves death, and no prophecy should ever destroy bonds.”
E. “O treachery! Fly, good Fleance, fly, fly, fly! Thou may ’st revenge —O slave!” (Act 3 Scene 3) When the 3rd murderer came unexpectedly, the murderers messed up and let the sun get away! There main goal should have been to capture the son and kill him. This just shows how unprofessional the murderers were and that Macbeth were dealing with some phonies #Catcherintherye
F. I think that Macbeth didn’t tell Lady Macbeth about plotting to kill banquo when they usually share everything is because he felt she would try to stop him or something like that. She would’ve maybe even tried to warn Banquo of this. He could’ve even tried surprising her. She might become upset and possibly tell others that it was Macbeth who killed Duncan and not the guards and ultimately end their relationship.
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Post by vazquezm16 on May 15, 2014 5:31:40 GMT -5
C. I am wondering how Macbeth seeing the ghost of Banquo will affect him now in the play. Macbeth is obviously slipping into insanity now because he saw the ghost of Banquo and will probably continue to get worse. The guests at the party also saw that Macbeth starting yelling at nothing during the diner and probably think that there is something wrong with him now. I doubt that his subjects will view him the same after this outburst.
E. I feel like Macbeth made a lot of mistakes in these two chapters. He probably gave too much away to Banquo by questioning him when he was leaving. He was not successful in the murders even though he sent along another murderer. The failed murder will probably hurt him later in the story. Then he saw the ghost of Banquo and had a sort of conversation with him. While this may have made sense to him all the people that were there view him as crazy now. Even though he saw a ghost Macbeth could have tried to ignore it as long as possible or at least until the guests had left so he could deal with it alone.
I. I agree with hessd16’s C response. Macbeth gave the murderers specific instruction to kill Banquo and Fleance. Macbeth has already become paranoid of Banquo and we have seen him continually slipping into insanity. After Macbeth gets the news that Fleance escapes he seems to brush it off that Fleance is not a threat. I think this is a mistake on his part because the prophecy tells about Banquo’s son becoming king. I think that this will come back to affect Macbeth later. It is possible that this is actually bothering Macbeth and that is what caused him to see Banquo’s ghost.
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Post by michaelgenco on May 15, 2014 16:36:15 GMT -5
D. I thought that the murderers were very careless with their plan to murder Banquo and his son, Fleance. This quote from act 3 scene 3 shows how the murderers let Fleance go: “O treachery! Fly, good Fleance, fly, fly, fly! Thou may ’st revenge —O slave!” (Act 3 Scene 3), and “Most royal sir, Fleance is scap’d.” (Act 3 scene 3). How stupid can these 3 murderers can be? They kill the warrior and cant’t kill a little boy? Also attacking at night is pretty risky to lose their prey, as we see in this act.
F. If I was the murderers I would have had a more complex attack then just going all at one. I would have had two people tackle Banquo because he is a strong warrior, while one gets the child. As easy as that. Once to pin them down you do what you have to do, and its over. The way that the murderers did it was sloppy and stupid.
C. Why does Macbeth go completely crazy? He got what he wants why does he have to all psycho. Also, when Macbeth hears about Fleance running away why doesn’t he have the 3 murderers run after him. It is just a kid how can he run away from 3 grown men. This kid must be either really lucky or an olympic athlete. In addition, I don’t understand how everyone at his house like his servants and lords don’t see that there is something wrong with Macbeth.
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Post by raypark on May 18, 2014 20:54:00 GMT -5
E. Macbeth has really wrapped into his new king position. He shows almost no regret now that he killed King Duncan. He wanted this position so badly and now he has gotten it. But he is still taking precautions. He wants to make sure that there are no loose ends in his position and that no one can question his authority. His next move that he wants to do is that he wants to kill off all the people that have suspicions on hi, Banquo. Banquo is the one person that can ruin Macbeth for everything he has. Banquo is suspicious that Macbeth really did kill the King and is trying to figure out if he did. Macbeth knows this and wants to try to end his life. In Scene 3, The murderers finally attack and kill Banquo.
C. There are some confusion that I have about Macbeth. I think that Macbeth is not thinking as clearly as he could be. Although he is the king and achieved his goal, if you keep killing people, killing becomes the problem. The more deaths that occur the more suspicions and whispers that will appear. Does he not understand this fact? The murderers did not even kill Fleance, Banquo's son. So that will have to arise with great problems. Banquo says this to Fleance as he is getting killed, "O, treachery? Fly, good Fleance, fly ,fly fly! Thou mayst revenge-O slave!" Fleance will definitely come back with revenge.
I. I disagree with Dakota that Fleance had to be the top priority kill because Banquo can cause much more trouble than Fleance.
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Post by youssefj16 on May 28, 2014 18:13:43 GMT -5
C. In relpy to stephs C resposne, I think the ghost of Banquo was something Macbeth was imagining. Nobody in the room was able to see him so it had to be Macbeth and his insanity that was imagining him.
I. I agree with Ray's E response. Macbeth doesn't really have any regret for killing duncan anymore. Before he killed Duncan, he was always so scared about the consequences and now he doesn't even care anymore. He was so poisened by Lady Macbeth that he just turned into a completely different person.
E. Macbeth really needs to worry about Fleonce now. Even though Banquo was killed, Fleonce is still out there for revenge.
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Post by zaysofly on Jun 2, 2014 21:10:42 GMT -5
D: I really liked the line that lady macbeth says in act 2 scene 2 line 6-7 "Tis safer to be that which we destroy than by destruction dwell in doubtful joy" I like this line for many reasons. one it is a paradox. two it relates to what is going on in the situation even though it is very hard to understand. She is saying that basically its better to be the destroyer than be the one who we destroy. She is referencing macbeth killing banquo. I also wanted to point out how insane macbeth has become when he even wants to kill his best friend who unfortunately know of the witches prophecy as well, which is why he has to kill him. Its sort of like a scenario of keep your friends close and your enemies closer, and banquo has just become the enemy.
C: Why does lady macbeth not care so much about macbeth wanting to kill banquo? if i were his wife and partner in crime i would tell him to lay off, because he might make this more exciting then they need to be. Lady Macbeth and Macbeth need to be low key, and Macbeth is making the situation more and more suspicious.
F: if i were banquo i would be very scared, but the funny thing is i don't know whats coming. However i would be a little worried about the prophecy and wondering how macbeth came to power all of a sudden.
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