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Post by Mr. Thomas on Apr 29, 2014 13:53:10 GMT -5
"...unsex me here..."
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Post by michaelgenco on Apr 29, 2014 17:28:05 GMT -5
H. As lady Macbeth sits down reading the letter Macbeth sent her it starts to rain. A dim candle is next to her as she slowly reads each word. As she finishes a jolt of lightning strikes and thunder follows. Lady Macbeth slowly raises her finger (like the witches) and devises a plan to kill king Duncan. But, as soon as she heard Macbeth coming home the rain diminishes and it becomes a normal afternoon.
D. “And fill me from the crown to the toe top full of direst cruelty; make thick my blood, stop up th’access and passage to remorse that no compunctious castings of nature shake my fell purpose nor keep peace between th’effect and it.” (41-46) I really feel that this quote is extremely creepy. In a way, this reminds me of the witches and how they asked these spirits to help them. Also, this quote shows how dark and driven Lady Macbeth is. I think that she wants the throne more then Macbeth does. Macbeth more respect and loyalty then Lady Macbeth does because although he wants to kill King Duncan, he will really never do it. That is why Lady Macbeth is making this plan to push Macbeth to do it.
C. I find it really funny when King Duncan said this, “There’s no art to find the mind’s construction in the face. He was a gentleman on whom I built an absolute trust.” (10-13) It is so ironic that he said that, and we all know Macbeth is going to kill him. Rest in peace king duncan.
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Post by richteri16 on Apr 29, 2014 18:53:18 GMT -5
C. I don’t understand what I wrong with Macbeth. Why does he feel the constant need to kill. He has this new title so what else does he need he could live the rest of his life comfortably in beautiful Scotland. But no he has to be king. Not only that but he feels that he has to kill people to take the throne. Can’t he just wait and maybe something will pop up? If the witches did profess a true prophecy then he should just have to wait around and one day he will be king. No killing needed.
I. I like the Inception type idea that was presented in class today. Maybe the witches were not giving a prophecy. Maybe they were just planting a seed in Macbeth’s mind about being king. This seed will continually grow until he cant handle it anymore and wind up doing something bad. As for his first promotion shortly after the battle I have two possibilities for why that happened. First, it was complete chance that the Thane of Cawdor just happened to betray the Scottish and get executed. Or second, the witches planned that to happen so that this would get the gears turning in Macbeth’s mind.
E. I think that Lady Macbeth will start to manipulate Macbeth in some way. She knew that Macbeth alone would never kill Duncan. He job will be to push him to do it. It sounds messed up but I think that this is what is will take to do the final deed.
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Post by hankmichels on Apr 29, 2014 19:53:45 GMT -5
H. The room is dark and dimly lit by candles positioned around the room. The stone walls stand twenty feet in the air. this is the tallest room in Macbeths castle, it is the entry hall by the large wooden gates. The floor is stone also and the ceiling is arched with pillars made out of- you guessed it- stone. In the center of the room lies a large, round and wooden table. In the center of the table is a vas filled with roses. Lady Macbeth walks slowly around the table reading the letter from macbeth aloud. She wears a simple, yet elegant nightgown and her hair is straight-she has not gone to bed yet. The servent enters from a smaller door leading to the kitchen, not the two large archways that lead to the dining hall and living room. The servent is dressed in simple garments and as a calm look on his face. An expression he has practiced for years, working for the Macbeths
C. I wonder why Macbeth married his wife? She seems to be crazy and power lusting. Their might be some of that in macbeth to, but so far he seems calm and controlled. She just seems to extreme for him. Or maybe she was nice at first and she changed later on and as become a great influence to macbeth…
E. I find it funny how all the characters are kissing each others butts. Even the king who you would think thinks hes better than every one is flattering macbeth.
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Apr 29, 2014 20:21:56 GMT -5
I. In response to what was said in class about the witches. I don't think that they can give a prophecy like that, so I do think that they were kind of putting an idea into Macbeth's head to sort of drive him to where his wife is driving him as well. I think that the witches do have many powers but I don't think telling the future is one of them.
E. I really think that Macbeth's wife is a loon. She is encouraging Macbeth to kill people so that he can gain a higher title and status. In some ways I feel like she might be doing this because if Macbeth does become King then she will be Queen so him getting this great status would give her many riches, and luxuries. I think that Macbeth should earn his titles the right way and not the way that his wife is encouraging him to do.
D. Lines that I like are, " The Prince of Cumbrland! That is a step on which I must fall down, or else o'erleap, for in my way it lies. Stars, hide your fires! Let not light see my black and deep desires." I like these lines because we kind of get a scoop into Macbeth's mind, and we see that he wants nobody to know that he is thinking about killing great men in order to obtain a higher status. Also, when he is first talking about the prince of Cumberland, I think he is saying that he needs to elimate the obstacle in his way or he will fall down with it.
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Post by bakerm16 on Apr 29, 2014 20:33:18 GMT -5
C. Not sure if this was mentioned earlier but what is around MAcBeth's age? His indecisiveness Tells me that he is on the younger side. I sense thatmhe is like a teenager or possibly a young adult. Again I am not sure if this was mentioned .
C. I think it's under scary that macbeth always thinks about killing people. The fact that he has thought about and also killed so many people concerns me. In my opinion I think Macbeth should worry about being the best king instead of who he will kill next.
E. I enjoyed our conversation about the witches somehow planting the vision of being a king in macbeth's mind as oppose to it being a reality. I kinda makes you think about it a lot. Like Ian said it is Inception like.
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Post by idelfonsoe16 on Apr 29, 2014 20:47:42 GMT -5
C. I am a bit nervous for Duncan. Lady Macbeth seems like the complete evil that Macbeth is going to become in the future, if he sticks to the witches. Will he actually kill Duncan that night? I really don’t want Macbeth to ruin his reputation in his own palace. I really, really hope he doesn’t stab him like he did McDonald. Duncan does not deserve all this betrayal. I think Macbeth is better than his wife. I have a feeling he won’t kill Duncan tonight. I. I disagree with Ian’s C response. Macbeth doesn’t have that thirst to kill (Ol’ McDonald HAD a farm…..) it’s just that his mind is constantly yelling at him to constantly think about the million possibilities of obtaining kingdom. I bet if any of us were put in Macbeth’s shoes, we’d feel the same way, except for the bloodshed of course. It’s not easy being told a “future” and given the circumstances that Macbeth is in, it is more than likely to obtain the throne. Malcom better not (BETTER NOT) approach LADY MACBETH. Oh my. E. I also indeed like the conversation about the witches lying about having the ability to control time. WHAT A CONSPIRACY. It changes everything. Literally I thought those three were ugly hairy old bat ladies that were time wardens. NO WAY did I think that they weren’t. I really hope that these witches actually do something PRODUCTIVE instead of talk left to right, in full paradox. TALK NORMAL. PLEASE.
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Post by raypark on Apr 29, 2014 20:55:50 GMT -5
C. There were some very interesting points in the scenes we read today in class. Macbeth has a very interesting role in this whole story and he wants to try and become king any way that he can. His constant thought that always remains in his head is that he must kill the king and then he can easily flow into being the next and future king, because he is heir to the throne. But the king gives Malcolm the next heir to the throne instead of Macbeth. Why didn't Macbeth question him? If Macbeth knew that he was the rightful heir and he had evidence for it, then he could have nothing to worry about. But he just ate it up and didnt say anything. The only thing that he did was create a guilty expression on his face and begin to think of more ways to kill the king and Malcolm.
A. In the next scene following this one, we first meet Lady Macbeth. She is a very mysterious and evil character. In the beginning of the scene, she reads aloud a letter that Macbeth has written to her. We see that in this letter he states that he wants to kill the king and try his best to get to sit on the throne. But then something unexpected happens. As a lady you expect her to be more of the gentle side and the more reasonable side. But I was utterly mistaken to say that. Lady Macbeth suddenly calls her husband to soft and friendly and that he wont ever kill the king when push comes to shove. She is basically stating that she will take responsibility in killing the king instead of Macbeth. This is something that I completely did not expect from this character. Although I do see that Macbeth is dark and mysterious himself, and that his wife should be like him, I did not expect however that Lady Macbeth would be darker and more criminalizing than Macbeth himself.
I. I also agree with Ian Richter for the reason of why Macbeth always thinks of ways to kill and not end things in a more cleaner manner. I believe that with the mind like Macbeth's he can think of many more ways to get himself to be king.
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Post by nvanible on Apr 30, 2014 5:09:04 GMT -5
C. With everything going on, I have two questions: If Macbeth was considered to be too "gentle" or "kind" to pull of the killing of King Duncan, then why did he not oppose his wife's decisions when he knew very well that she was planning to kill King Duncan that same night he was planning to come over? Also, how is Lady Macbeth going to kill King Duncan if he is coming to the Macbeth house? If she kills him there, then it will be plainly obvious that she was responsible for his death. In addition, if she does something to him that causes him to die a day or two later, she is still a prime suspect as she was one of the last people in contact with him? D. The whole scene with Macbeth and his wife planning King Duncan's death was quite mysterious and I guess, suspenseful in a way as it sets up for what is possibly to come. E. I am quite fascinated with Macbeth's character as although he deeply wants t be king, as well as is a trained combatant in killing, his wife describes him as being "too soft" to commit such an act as killing. This really gives him more layers than what we as the readers first perceived him as.
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Post by jotirmoykundu on Apr 30, 2014 10:55:16 GMT -5
D. Lines that I like are, " The Prince of Cumbrland! That is a step on which I must fall down, or else o'erleap, for in my way it lies. Stars, hide your fires! Let not light see my black and deep desires." I like these lines because we get into Macbeth’s mind. We see that he wants nobody to know that he want to kill great men in order to obtain a higher status
i. I agree with ray parks A. response, “ In the next scene following this one, we first meet Lady Macbeth. She is a very mysterious and evil character. In the beginning of the scene, she reads aloud a letter that Macbeth has written to her. We see that in this letter he states that he wants to kill the king and try his best to get to sit on the throne. But then something unexpected happens. As a lady you expect her to be more of the gentle side and the more reasonable side. But I was utterly mistaken to say that. Lady Macbeth suddenly calls her husband to soft and friendly and that he wont ever kill the king when push comes to shove. She is basically stating that she will take responsibility in killing the king instead of Macbeth. This is something that I completely did not expect from this character. Although I do see that Macbeth is dark and mysterious himself, and that his wife should be like him, I did not expect however that Lady Macbeth would be darker and more criminalizing than Macbeth himself”
E. I really liked our conversation about the witches planting the vision of being a king in macbeth's mind. It makes you think about it a lot.
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Post by youssefj16 on Apr 30, 2014 17:20:06 GMT -5
C. I find it really funny about how he said that you can't know a mans mind just by his face. Macbeth is clearly plotting to kill him for the throne so this is really ironic. I can't wait to see the kings reaction when he finds out Macbeth is going to kill him, if he has the chance to find out. I. I agree and disagree with Ericsons response to richters response. Macbeth is definately being tempted into killing king duncan because of all the candy that comes with being king but I also think that he's doing it simply because he's pissed that Duncan is making his son king. I don't know why he's pissed because it is always expected that the kings son becomes king. E. In response to ericsons e response, i also think it is really annoying how the witches talk in paradoxes. If it wasn't for Mr. Thomas' explanations, I would have no idea what the hell they're saying.
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Apr 30, 2014 18:48:15 GMT -5
I believe Macbeth's wife is crazy. She seems not the right type of wife a great warrior, and soon to be thane of Cawdor, and eventually king should have. She wants to kill the king. Whats up with that? And she was saying it in a very creepy way. She wants some type of spirit to come to her. Weird!
C. I'm confused why Macbeth's wife wants to kill the king so badly. I understand that if that happens he may become the king but, take it easy man, if the witches say it's going to happen, it will. Or maybe the witches are making her act like this to fufill their prophecy. We still don't know if the witches are controlling what is going on or just told Macbeth what is going on.
I. I agree with jackson's idea how the witches may just be putting ideas into Macbeth's head. Not even controlling the situation and just lying about being the king. They may have done that just to create conflict. It's a possibility but I highly doubt it because him being thane of Cawdor, has almost already been proven true.
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Post by zaysofly on May 1, 2014 15:52:57 GMT -5
D: I thought it was written really well how shakespear set up scene four. It's really ironic in a sence because Macbeth is thinking about killing Duncan, yet Duncan was just talking about how he just killed someone he thought he could trust. Then Macbeth walks in and Duncan lavishes him with complements on how much he trusts him. Then Macbeth is like "oh stop Duncan". Feeling really guilty inside. However maybe since Duncan is being nice to Macbeth and trusts him, maybe Macbeth won't have to kill him and he might just somehow die on his own or maybe retire and give Macbeth his seat as Thane. Also it seems like lady Macbeth is more of a killer than Macbeth is because as soon as she gets the letter she is asking the spirits to rid her of her moralities so she can be queen, meanwhile all she is going to do is give Macbeth moral support in the background.
C: why didn't shakespears write in the play or tell the audience that Macbeth had stopped to write a letter to his wife after the experience with the witches? Also, is lady Macbeth praying to rid her moralities to the witches or just to spirits in general.
G: if I were Macbeth I would feel extremely stressed out and anxious. Not only do I have to think about what I have to do, but my wife is all for this plan to kill the king, I don't know what I am going to do
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