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Post by Mr. Thomas on Mar 31, 2014 10:54:45 GMT -5
The finale
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Post by richteri16 on Mar 31, 2014 17:16:24 GMT -5
E. I actually really liked the ending of the story. I was expecting a dopey ending where Holden walks off into the sunset. I was happy he did not go out west. I was also happy about how he seems to be under some sort of care now. He definitely needed it. It also seems like he is coming back to his senses. He seems to have normal reflections about what he did. He misses all the people he knew and loved. I think that this is good ending because we have a Holden who is on the path to recovery. I don’t fell depressed that he ended on a bad note.
E. I decided to do two E responses because there is just so much to talk about in these last two chapters. I think I have a pretty good understanding of what happened to Holden after the story ends and why he is in some sort of hospital. I think that he decided to go home. When he did he had some sort of mental breakdown and all his sickness symptoms caught up to him. I think his parents decided to send him to a really high quality mental hospital out west. This would get him away from the distractions of home and have him close to his brother.
C. I wonder if Holden’s sickness was due to his poor mental state or the fact that he was actually malnourished. I mean he was eating poorly during his whole adventure.
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Mar 31, 2014 18:17:20 GMT -5
C. One thing that confuses me on the very last page of the book is when Holden says that he misses everyone. I don't even understand why he ran away in the first place other than not liking school, and the "phonies." I feel like we see this dilemma in wanting to runaway, but knowing what you are leaving in Eveline as well. Eveline realizes what she would be leaving a little sooner than Holden does, and she is able to think out her decision more. Holden realizes what he misses a little too late because he has already left it, and going back to his old life would be hard to reajust to.
F. I was surprised by the way Phoebe acted when she wants to runaway with Holden. I know that she looks up to him and all, but the fact that she even considered running away greatly surprised me. I know she looks out for Holden, but I never thought that this would ever happen. I thought that Holden would possibly just runaway without anyone knowing, but he told Phoebe. She is really committed to going with Holden also, like she has no delay in her mind that she wants to go with him, "Can't I go with you? Holden? Can't I? Please." It's not even like she is joking at all, she really wants to go with him
I. In response to Ian's first E response I have to disagree. I wasn't expecting a horrible ending like him just walking off. We see that Holden is becoming a "normal" person who reflects on things normally, and does not overreact to situations. He is now under care, which is good because it helps him stay calm and sane.
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Post by idelfonsoe16 on Mar 31, 2014 20:29:31 GMT -5
C. Great ending, great way to tie these things together, and a great cliffhanger. I knew Holden was in an institute of some sort, but, what exactly did he do after the carousel ride that Phoebe had? Did he confront his parents and go out West to get help from D.B and the institute? It makes me happy that Holden seems to finally get out of his vicious circle. I just wish he told us MORE. Gosh all the books I have been reading in Xavier leave so much details out in the end and I just wonder, “What happens next? What does the main character do now? How will life change?” D. My favorite quote so far: “THAT’S all I’m going to tell about.” That’s right, just that. That quote made me go “WHAT!??!?!?!!?” I was soooooooooo aggravated when I saw that, and also a bit relieved. I knew that something like this would happen. Jesus Holden WHY end it THERE!? E. I believe Holden ends his Anti-hero traits at the last chapter. I think he finally realizes that he has been doing something wrong nearly since Allie died, and that he should get over it and get his act together. Something between him, Phoebe, his mom, and his dad made him probably realize what he is doing is not who he is. He may just become an Odysseus, but at the end! It could be like the story of an Anti-hero, who then became a hero! It’s like the Illiad to the Odyssey! A prequel of things to come!
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Post by raypark on Mar 31, 2014 20:40:55 GMT -5
E. I am quite sad that the book has ended already. Although in the time frame of this story is only about 3 to 4 days, I feel as if I really bonded with Holden. Seeing him completely leave is very sad. The great part of the ending was when Phoebe was riding the carassoul and Holden was just sitting in the pouring rain almost bawling in happiness. That was a very fine moment to end the stories of Holden's adventures. It was certainly most fitting in my opinion to see Holden looking at life at a positive aspect and not leaving for the West. I really like Phoebe and what she does for Holden. She is like his guardian angel. Whenever Holden tries to do something that isn't right for him, she always does something else to make him not do something. Holden was very serious about leaving to the West. But due to the fact that Phoebe tried to go with him completely turned down the sole idea of going anywhere other than his home.
C. There are some questions that stay in my mind at the end of this book. Firstly, why doesn't Holden tell what happend after this event? As a reader I want to know if he has succeeded in his present time telling this story. Why doesn't he say anything? Secondly, What was Holden's true objective when he was going west. He couldnt possibly have thought it all out just like that. He only looked at the small details of doing the things he could possibly do. And why did he want to be a dead-mute and marry someone that was dead-mute?
I. I agree with ian Richter about Holden's sickness and also his things about missing people. Jackson also states that as welll. Why does he all of a sudden miss everyone? What was he trying to say that we shouldnt talk about others because we will miss them as well?
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Post by zaysofly on Mar 31, 2014 20:54:02 GMT -5
D: I think Holden might have over reacted to Mr. Antolini awkwardly rubbing his head in the middle of the night. I think he went over board when he decided to go sleep at grand central station. He went over there in the first place to find a nice place to sleep, yet he leaves it to sleep in a train station. I think we also see. Holden having trouble with his innocence again. Like when he was crossing the streets he was acting like a little kid, calling out to Allie as if he could help him. Also he was wondering in Phoebe school when he came upon some graphitti that said some bad words on it, so he then whipped it off. I think any other normal person on the planet would have just left it alone, but to Holden it makes it seem like the person who did it, or the words itself make the school more grown up than what it is, and that upsets Holden. Another innocence moment is when he puts Phoebe on the carrousel and just watches her go around. I think this made Holden happy because he say the little kid in Phoebe and part of him wants to be that.
C: why doesn't Holden want to talk about what happened after the left the park. It seems kind of weird and he kind of leaves us out on a limb, or a cliff hanger.
E: if I here Holden I would want to take Phoebe with me, but it's physically impossible
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Mar 31, 2014 21:06:10 GMT -5
E. I wasnt sure how I liked the ending of the book. I liked how it wasnt a happily ever after, because that just shows how unreal the book was. But I really hated how we dont find out more of how it ends. What happens to the rest of the family. These kind of endings really bug me. C. I was confused why he was fainting. Like he faints and then goes back out in the rain? why does he do that. I. I agree with raypark 's E. I was sad to see how the book ended too.
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Post by petergiglio on Mar 31, 2014 21:32:37 GMT -5
a Holden can relate to how humans act in the sense of the pursuit of happiness. As I am reflecting on the story as whole I get the sense that Holden is attempting to achieve happiness, which he finally does at the end of chapter 25. This is relatable to human life because as far as I know we are all on the pursuit for happiness.
e I like how for the ending confirms my formed belief that Holden really isn’t a bad guy at all. I first I thought he was horrible and mean, but at the end he says how he misses the people mentioned in his story. I also like how Phoebe makes him happy. I think it is good for Holden to be happy.
c Is Holden ever serious about hitch hiking and going across the country or is that a joke? What does the significance of the words “fuck you” have on the story? Why does Phoebe make Holden so happy? What does he see in her or what does he do that Holden likes? The “rest home” Holden is telling this story from… is it a mental hospital or what? Why does Holden end the story at this moment? I don’t really understand the plot line of this story? What is the point of it? The story seems a little meaningless in some aspects, I don’t understand why that is how the story ended?
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Post by hessd16 on Mar 31, 2014 22:03:35 GMT -5
i. i agree with peter: c Is Holden ever serious about hitch hiking and going across the country or is that a joke? What does the significance of the words “fuck you” have on the story? Why does Phoebe make Holden so happy? What does he see in her or what does he do that Holden likes? The “rest home” Holden is telling this story from… is it a mental hospital or what? Why does Holden end the story at this moment? I don’t really understand the plot line of this story? What is the point of it? The story seems a little meaningless in some aspects, I don’t understand why that is how the story. ended?
e. i really liked the ending, probably not the best ending in terms of what happens to Holden or what really goes on but the whole scene with him and Phoebe was beautiful, it was pure brother to sister love. I am an only child so i cant exactly relate to that but just reading it i can tell its a very close bond that these siblings share. They might have even bonded more over the death of Allie and are just realizing that they only got each other.
e. i really liked the last line of the book, "Don't ever tell anybody anything. If you do, you start missing everybody." This is probably the most harsh piece of truth Holden has spoken all of the book. Great book, would've liked a bit more detail but as the writing style provides J.D. salinger really stuck to it.
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Post by bakerm16 on Apr 1, 2014 5:40:20 GMT -5
A. I think Holden's decision was the best thing he could do for himself. As peter mentioned earlier Holden deciding he wants to run away is his "pursuit of happiness". We have obviously seen in the majority of the book that Holden has been upset about something. But him actually making and effort to change that is a good thing.
C. Why does it take Holden so long to get home? Not in terms of distance but why does it take him the entire book to realize that going home would be a step in the right direction for him. I always thought about if there as a strong relationship with Holden and his parents. I can now conclude that he doesn't have the best relationship with his parents but he still has one which is good. I feel bad that Holden gets sick though. That was unfortunate.
E. When Holden told Phoebe that he will run away I thought that her response of the fact that she wants to run away with him as kind of touching but bizarre on another hand. I found it touching because it shows how much Phoebe cares about Holden and that she feels they have a strong relationship. That might sound weird considering she is his sister but thats a big decision to make. The reason I think it is bizarre is because she was so open to going with him that it didn't even seem like she considered the possibilities of what could happen if she ran away with him.
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Post by Jotirmoy Kundu on Apr 1, 2014 7:15:13 GMT -5
i. I agree with Ray park: “E. I am quite sad that the book has ended already. Although in the time frame of this story is only about 3 to 4 days, I feel as if I really bonded with Holden. Seeing him completely leave is very sad. The great part of the ending was when Phoebe was riding the carassoul and Holden was just sitting in the pouring rain almost bawling in happiness. That was a very fine moment to end the stories of Holden's adventures. It was certainly most fitting in my opinion to see Holden looking at life at a positive aspect and not leaving for the West. I really like Phoebe and what she does for Holden. She is like his guardian angel. Whenever Holden tries to do something that isn't right for him, she always does something else to make him not do something. Holden was very serious about leaving to the West. But due to the fact that Phoebe tried to go with him completely turned down the sole idea of going anywhere other than his home.” D. My favorite quote so far: “THAT’S all I’m going to tell about.” That’s absoulety all. That quote made me mad. I was so aggravated when I saw that, and also a bit relieved. I knew that something like this would happen and like why in God’s name would he end it there? C: Why does Holden not want to talk about what happened after he left the park? Did something traumatic happen? It seems kind of weird and as he ends, he leaves us on a cliff hanger and that’s overall pretty frustrating.
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Post by youssefj16 on Apr 1, 2014 14:35:29 GMT -5
E. I didn't really enjoy the ending of the book as much as I wanted to. I feel like it ended way too quickly. We never really found out too much information about Holden's family at all and I also feel like the author got tired of writing and just ended it as quickly as possible. D. My favorite part of the book hands down was when Holden and Phoebe were on the carousel and Holden was talking about if she fall off, who cares. She needs to grow up and become and woman. This was a completely different view that Holden had last chapter ago and I feel like he has definitely changed for the better. I. I agree with Ray's E response- I really did grow to like Holden's character and I felt like and never really found out as much as I wanted to about him. I wanted to find out more about his responsibility and his relationship with Jane.
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Post by hankmichels on Apr 1, 2014 17:30:40 GMT -5
E. I hated the ending at first, but after I thought about it, I realized it was satisfactory. I still want to know the details on where he is and what happened when his parents found out and what was up with Mr Antolini. But I guess it really doesn’t matter. This entire book was just holden saying whatever came to mind in relation to the story, so him skipping the ending because he was hiding something or felt like the reader knew already really just makes this ending work. Even though I am a bit annoyed, it still was fine and I enjoyed it. I. I agree with Idelfonsoe16. That quote where he straight up says ‘that’s all im gonna say’ was both annoying and interesting. But it fits with the story and with holdens personality so it works.
C. I wonder why it was watching his sister on the carosel that made holden finally wind down. I know that he seems to the love and desire the innocence of children, and he also seems really attached to his sister. So maybe it’s the combination of the two that made him at rest. Maybe its because he had that final outburst crossing the street and calling for his brother and after he let that out any thing would calm him. anyways, its kind of a nice ending (the way I see it, the last chapter is more of an epilogue.)
I need nine more words…six…seven..eight…nine. Ha! Done. Wait, now that’s fifty-two. Shoot now its fifty-six! sixty! sixty-one! Forget it…..63
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Post by michaelgenco on Apr 1, 2014 21:14:51 GMT -5
E. Chapter 25 was filled with Holden hallucinating. This quote describes what Holden is going through, “I started sweating like a bastard-my whole shirt and underwear and everything. Then I started doing something else. Every time I’d get to the end of a block I’d make believe I was talking to my brother Allie. I’d say to him, ‘Allie, don’t let me disappear. Allie, don’t let me disappear. Allie, don't let me disappear. Please Allie.’ And then when I’d reach the other side of the street without disappearing, I’d thank him. After reading this I got chills running down my body. Poor Holden is going through so much and looks what’s happening to him now. He is slowly collapsing as in when he says he can’t eat anything.
D. A quote that I thought Holden was wrong about was, “So I went in this very cheap-looking restaurant and had doughnuts and coffee. Only, I didn’t eat the doughnuts. I couldn’t swallow them too well. The thing is, if you get very depressed about something, it’s hard to swallow.” I think Holden has a sickness. To my knowledge when people are depressed they eat more food, not being able to eat. So Holden is either lying to himself or he has no idea what is going on.
I. In response to what we were saying in class this quote reminds me of that conversation, “I wonder if maybe he just liked to pat guys on the head when they’re asleep.” Like we said in class, Holden is now thinking of all the possibilities, not just jumping to conclusion.
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