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Post by Mr. Thomas on Sept 14, 2013 15:09:09 GMT -5
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Sept 14, 2013 19:17:14 GMT -5
Jackson Hill
C. One thing that confused in Book One of The Odyssey occurred in lines seven through ten, “ But he could not save them from disaster, hard as he strove – the recklessness of their own ways destroyed them all, the blind fools, they devoured the cattle of the Sun and the Sungod blotted out the day of their return.” I do not really understand the meaning of this quote or the importance it has to this particular book. Is there some kind of significance to it or is it just placed there to fill up space. What importance does the Sungod have and why can’t he save his comrades from disaster. Another thing that I am confused about is from lines twenty-two to twenty-five, “ Then every god took pity, all except Poseidon. He raged on, seething against the great Odysseus till he reached his native land.” Why does Poseidon rage on? Is it because of his personality or does he just dislike Odysseus for some odd reason or another.
E. One thing that I found particularly interesting was in Book One when it says, “But he could not save them from disaster, hard as strove --…” I felt this was interesting because I want to know why he is not able to save them from the horror, and the supposed disaster that was going to happen. Was it because he simply could not just do it or was there a bigger obstacle in his way not enabling him to save his comrades?
D. A quote that I really enjoyed was, “Calypso, the bewitching nymph, the lustrous goddess, held him back, deep in his arching caverns, craving him for a husband.” I liked this quote because I felt that it was very vividly stated as though I could see this event actually happening.
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Post by bakerm16 on Sept 15, 2013 11:29:37 GMT -5
I. I agree with rozzayhill007 in his letter C response. While I was also reading in Book 1. Based on the context I understand that I was reading about men at sea that I think maybe got caught in a storm and they cant help themselves anymore. I thought of this from the quote "Many cities of men he saw and learned their minds, many pains he suffered, heartsick on the open sea, fighting to save his life and bring his comrades home. But he could not save them from disaster, hard as he strove-" From the next lines however i inferred that a lot of men died soon after on that ship but few escaped. B. The first 25 lines of the first book in the Odyssey are very important lines. They set an overtone for the rest of the story by singling out one character (Odysseus) and talking about basically what the rest of the story entails. Without this part of the story the reader would be very confused as to what happens in the rest of the story. This part of the story is important especially in hero stories. It defines the protagonist and the antagonist while also giving main characters and ones we probably wont ever see again. We also find out. The setting of the book which is very important. G. Im going to try to get into Odysseus' mind. If I were Odysseus i would be really upset. Id be upset because I lost a lot of my good friends in a storm at sea and I would also be upset because I am away from my loves ones far away from home. I would feel very lonely if i were him as well because from what i have read so far can assume that Odysseus will be alone on his trek home.
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Post by stephen ali on Sept 15, 2013 12:30:11 GMT -5
Stephen Ali
Mr. Thomas
English 10
September 14, 2013
E. Page 15 “ And which of the gods was it that set them on to quarrel”. “It was the son of Zeus and Leto , for he was angry with the King an sent a pestilence upon the host to plague the people , because the son of Atreus had dishonored Chryses his priest. My opinion on this part of the reading was that I think it was cruel to punish to go around punishing people for not that serious of a crime or insult. I think that the gods think it is ok to mess with people without a serious reason. Doing what they did was uncalled for. I think that the gods find it amusing to mess around and ruin others people life. Just, because you have all this power and authority doesn’t mean you have to do thinks to people that have less then you .The gods have in my opinion to much authority and should just be able to mess with things concerning them or part of the world that they are involved in. The gods try to outdo one another, so it turns it games but really you’re messing with someone’s life. This was something the gods failed to understand and realize.
C. Did the people understand that the Gods were all along the ones to causing all the things in the people’s lives?
C. If the people did know the Gods were causing all this pain upon them why did they choose to still believe in them and worship them.
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Post by hankmichels on Sept 15, 2013 14:10:05 GMT -5
(Keep in mind I do not yet have the book so I had to find another version which was not numbered. I’m assuming halfway is about where calypso tells Odysseus he can leave)
E. So right away I realized that this was beginning in medias res. It states right away in book 1 how odysseus has journeyed and is now on calypso’s island and has been there for a while. I knew that something was left out (plus I’ve already read this). I also noticed how in the start of the book, some one is saying tell me the story of odysseus, and then the story officially starts.
B. This text is obviously important to the story of Odysseus. It shows how he was delayed and how, even though there were many beautiful women around, he remained faithful to his wife. I do feel like the odyssey could have done without the whole medias res thing. It would make it less confusing.
F. I feel like the relationship between odysseus and calypso is lazy. Not that their chemistry is lazy, but it was a way for the writer to be lazy. The Odyssey is supposed to be an epic ten year journey filled with twists and turns. Im guessing that was the original idea of homers or whoever wrote this. Then they wrote about three years of material and were like “im just going to write this short part and make it last seven years so I don’t have to keep going. I think the calypso part works, but it just seems lazy. I also remember there being something similar with cerces island, where he and is crew are on it for like a year or two
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Post by johnaviles on Sept 15, 2013 14:10:32 GMT -5
F. I feel like Hermes and Calypso have a very strong, unbreakable, and loving relationship and I feel this way because “his heart is set on his wife and his return-Calypso, the bewitching nymph, the lustrous goddess, held him back, deep in her arching caverns, craving him for a husband.” I feel its its unbreakable because there is a lot going on and there going through a lot and they still love each other even when Hermes might not be by her side all the time.
C. What confused me was how book five starts off in Calypso’s house with Odysseus being held captive there. “Athena began, recalling Odysseus to their thoughts, the goddess deeply moved by the ma’s long ordeal, held captive in the nymph Calypso’s house.” I am also confused as to why the hold him captive for so long with such a grudge and after he gives his ordeal they are completely willing to send him back.
D. I enjoyed the lines about how Poseidon, god of earthquake, sees Odysseus sailing down the sea and becomes extremely frustrated and releases his anger by raining down pain on Odysseus with an earthquake making his journey even more difficult. “With that he rammed the clouds together-both hands clutching his trident-churned the waves into chaps, whipping all the gales from every quarter, shrouding over in the thunderheads the earth and sea at once-and night swept down from the sky.”
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Post by richteri16 on Sept 15, 2013 16:00:35 GMT -5
E. I think that Calypso is a pretty nice goddess. In book 5 pages 213-222 Calypso gives Odysseus tons of food for his voyage. She clearly cares a lot for him. Also when he is building his raft to leave she gives him the tools and materials to build it. Also the book mentions that Calypso found Odysseus adrift in the sea with only just a plank of wood to hang onto. She saved him from a certain death.
H. Hermes is standing on a sandy beach to Calypso’s island. Beyond the beach is a tree line with huge trees with beautiful colored bark and leaves. The sky is a beautiful blue with a few wispy clouds floating by. Past the trees is a clear blue creek that is slowly rushing past. As Hermes walked past all this its beauty captivated him. Slowly the sweet scent of cedar burning came to him. As he approached Calypso’s cave the scent became more and more intense until he found the cave itself…
I. I agree with Matt Baker’s response to question B. The first few lines are critical to the rest of the tale. We find out the Odysseus is the main character of this story. We are also brought up to speed on what has happened to Odysseus thought the story. Most of all we find out about Odysseus’s wish to be reunited with his homeland and his wife. These important details set the stage for what we should expect as the story goes on.
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Post by petergiglio on Sept 15, 2013 16:55:03 GMT -5
C. what had confused me in Book 5 is that although Odysseus wanted to leave so badly to see his wife and his native land and claimed he didnt like it there and was being held captive when he was talking with Calypso he says that his wife is no where near as beautiful as her and she is mortal. Also she feeds him provides him with clothing and a place to sleep plus immortality. If it was me i would stay there as opposed to being stuck in the sea with the potential of dying at any moment and it seems like a pretty good deal.
E. I feel that Calypso is a very nice goddess and wants to have somebody to love, like Odysseus. Holding him captive there, she doesn't have anything bad to do to him nor does she want to at heart. I think she has great feelings for Odysseus and that is why she is so sad to see him go but she knows she has to which is why she helps.
G. If i were Odysseus i would feel like the most unlucky man in the whole world because he hasnt done anything wrong and he never broke any rules. If i were him i would feel incredibly sad and on the brink of giving up and staying with Calypso and have lost all faith.
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Post by hessd16 on Sept 15, 2013 18:10:36 GMT -5
(dakota hess) c. the questions I have are: why does calypso want Oddeyseus so bad? Is it just because he is mortal?, or because he already has a wife? Also if she is keeping him by force and Oddeyseus wants to leave why does he compliment her so much, after what she has done to him? Also, she does not tell Oddeyseus that it is Zeus’ wish for him to leave the island and let him go, why does she not tell him? d. one part of the story I really enjoyed was: “quickly under his feet he fastened he supple sandals, ever glowing gold, that wing him over the waves and boundless earth with the rush of gusting winds.“ plunged to the sea and skimmed the waves like a tern..” and also “glides and dives for fish, dipping its beauty wings in bursts of spray.. so Hermes skimmed the crests on endless crests”. I particularly enjoy these lines due to my background as a track runner. I love descriptions of speed and also the moment when I tie my running spikes to my feet is like the moment Hermes fastens his golden winged sandals to his feet. e. my reaction to calypsos lust for Oddeyseus was surprised. She is a very beautiful goddess as Oddeyseus describes, she could have a god for a husband, a willing husband at that. I was surprised also that she let him go so easily. That release of Oddeyseus just shows the power that Zeus has over other gods and goddess’.
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Post by kkhurana70 on Sept 15, 2013 20:07:35 GMT -5
I- hessd16 I agree with you on your questioning of why calypso wants to have oddeyseus, when she is an immortal and can live forever and have anything she wants since she is a goddess. I also wondered why oddeyseus has not left on his own and if he was being held captive or by his own will. G- If I were Oddeyseus I would not want to be with Calypso stuck on the island forever. So I would try my best to escape or constantly ask her to let me go instead of just crying and doing nothing. I would also pray to the Gods for help in escaping the grasps of Calypso. I also would stop eating whatever she was giving me because it may have drugs or side effects to it that make me feel lazy and unable to want to leave. Finally I would try to make a deal with Calypso like I would bring her back with me to my village and find her a companion if that is what she seeks. H- If I was a set designer for the Odyssey and I had to create the scene for Calypso’s island I would design it as a deserted island located 1000 of miles from the shore in the middle of the water, completely isolated from the entire world. I would design the island as very rocky and natural until u reach the middle of the island where Calypso’s home is. The home would be hidden inside of a mountain and would not be visible from above or in front of the mountain. The only way in is by swimming in the river and into the cave. Once you entered the cave there would be stairs leading to the main entrance of the home. In there it would be extremely beautiful and filled with food. There would be piles and piles of food and drink. There would also be a room for oddeyseus and it would be very nice. Finally Calypso would look extremely beautiful and would have very seductive features. She would be every mans ideal woman. Oddeyseus would look much unkept, he would have a beard, and he would look tired and upset. He would also seem depressed and sad.
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Post by Ray Park on Sept 15, 2013 21:10:09 GMT -5
I - I agree with hessd16 about the question of Caylpso and Oddeyseues. Why does he want him to that extent. The things that Calypso does seems just like an utter waste of time and effort. What is the reason behind all of this? IS there a whole other story to it? I also agree with Stephen Ali, if the people and citizens knew about what the gods were doing to them. Would they worship the gods any longer for what they have done to them?
C - I have some questions about Book one. This confusion is about Posiedon. I am a little off on why The god of neptune gets so angry with Oddyseus. Is it just him playing around with him or is he actually angry with him. If he actually is angry with him, what is the main reason for it. Another question i have is about why Book 5 started with the setting of the house. It didnt really make sense. I think I have to read the books and pages before book 5, but i am still uncertain.
G - I am in the position of Oddyseus. As oddyseus, I would have given up on life. I have never broken any rules nor done harm to anyone. Yet I still recieve all this punishment from everyone. I do not understand what this is about.
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Post by idelfonsoe16 on Sept 15, 2013 21:28:55 GMT -5
C. Why would Calypso have such an “addiction” to Odysseus? Odysseus is a mortal human being who cannot live forever and wants nothing but material things, and cannot possibly provide for a goddess. Why even spend the time trying to make him yours, Calypso? There are gods that can be your husband, and can provide better for you. Why want a mortal to be in your life for all of eternity? It makes no sense whatsoever! Odysseus is a very lucky man, to be quite honest. E. I don’t understand why Odysseus would reject the opportunity of a lifetime to live with a goddess and live forever. I understand that he can have feelings for his mortal wife back at home, but he has been away for far too long, and many things could’ve happened. The fact that he left Calypso hanging like that really was a bit unbelievable. THAT OPPORTUNITY DOES NOT COME AS OFTEN AS YOU THINK, ODYSSEUS!!! G. If I were Odysseus, I would’ve stayed with Calypso, married her, and live for eternity on that isle. It is better to live forever and be permanently happy than to die and be sad and alone in the end. It is very good to know that you’ll be with the person that you love forever, and you won’t separate (unless bad things happen). I would’ve already forgotten about my wife, and any thought of returning home, because I was lucky enough to land in paradise, and also lucky nough to have a goddess fall in love with me! (Eric Idelfonso)
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Post by michaelgenco on Sept 15, 2013 21:33:30 GMT -5
C. I do not understand in Book 1 of the Odyssey on line 24 it says “Then ever god took pity, all except Poseidon.” Why would Poseidon not take pity on Odysseus? Does he not like him or did Odysseus do anything to him? Also, what was the importance in introducing Muse, Zeus’ daughter? Homer told about her, but then there was nothing else. Why is she important, and why does she sing?
H.In the beginning of Book 5 when Zeus is around and gathered by the other gods and goddesses I thought of a movie. Zeus is wearing a bright white robe with sandals and an old staff. He has a pure white beard down to his chest and he is gathering his council. While the council circles him, all in similar robes, each slowly walking, as if they have all the time in the world. In the middle of this large room is this large class table with the finest jewels from all around the world. Covering the walls are beautiful paintings and tapestries, and covering the floor were the softest fur in the world. The chair that Zeus was sitting in was much larger than the other ones, and made of pure diamond. The other chairs in the room were made of pure gold. When Athena brings up Odysseus everyone starts to debate and talk about the topic at hand.
E. After reading the beginning of Book 1 I was shocked to hear that a women or goddess in this case kidnaps a man. In the news usually the man does that
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Sept 15, 2013 21:46:30 GMT -5
C.One thing that I was confused on was in book one the few last line, “then every god took pity, all except Poseidon. He raged on, seething against the great Odysseus till he reached his native land”. What I dont understand he is why Poseidon was the only god who didn't take pity on him and kept raging on. Why just him and no other gods? What is the connection between the two?
D. A part that I really enjoyed when Zeus asks Hermes to deliver for him. I like the way the story really focuses on the preparation of hemes like putting on the gold winged shoes that lets him fly over the water and the staff that let him control peoples minds,etc. I just really liked the created that moment for that god. And also because he is one of my favorite gods.
I. I agree with hessd16 on the question you ask. Why does calypso want Odysseus so badly. She is a goddess which means one, that you are immortal, and two that you can get pretty much anything that you desire. There is no need to keep Odysseus. I’m even sure that because you are a goddess that there is a much easier way of getting what you want.
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Post by duffyl on Sept 15, 2013 22:54:11 GMT -5
Liam Duffy
C. in book 1 it is pretty clear that Poseidon has a grudge against Odysseus, but I don’t know why he is so mad at him. It doesn’t clearly state why Poseidon is so mad at him. Does it have something to do with the Trojan War? Another question I have is why is Calypso has a lust for Odysseus, he is just a mortal and she is a god who can have anyone she wants. It seems strange for a god to want a mortal so bad.
G. If I were Odysseus I would feel hopeless and sad, it seems as though the entire world is against him. Odysseus hasn’t done anything that deserves all of this harassment from the gods.
E. I really think Poseidon is one of the meanest gods, he has a strong hatred for Odysseus despite no real reason to. He apparently has a grudge towatds him but Odysseus seems like an innocent mortal and Poseidon is like a big bully picking on Odysseus.
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