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Post by Mr. Thomas on Mar 19, 2014 8:42:20 GMT -5
"If a body meet a body, comin' through the rye..."
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Post by richteri16 on Mar 19, 2014 15:54:39 GMT -5
C. What was the deal with the kid singing the song about a body meeting a body when coming through the rye? I was expecting some sort of interesting piece of info on the title of the book and some breakthrough in the plot. Yet, I got nothing. I guess that this will have significance later on in the book. For now though, I am just disappointed.
F. I don’t understand why Holden and Sally have any relationship together whatsoever. They are complete opposites. She seems to really annoy him with all her phoniness and all. She even annoys me. She is constantly using big words to sound fancy and important. And then that scene with the guy at the lobby of the theatre. She just completely ignores Holden to talk to this sleaze bag. Then they start talking about nonsense and these “memories” and events at things they did. I really cant handle that level of fakeness. I think it was good that Holden went off on her later on. She deserved every bit of it. That whole scene also shows how she doesn’t care at all for his problems. She just wants him to shut up so she can talk about himself. Thank God Holden called her a pain in the ass. She deserved it.
B. There are two really important scenes in these chapters. They are when Holden is helping the girl with her skate and the kids at the seesaw. These show how Holden is still desperate for affection and attention. He is going to these random kids and just hanging around them just to talk. His whole situation is starting to gat sad at that point.
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Mar 19, 2014 17:49:10 GMT -5
C. Something I don't understand is why he gets depressed when he sees people walking quickly towards the movies. I really don't know how that would affect him at all. Another thing I don't understand is why Holden would hang out with Sally if he says she's a phony. He always had something to say about people being fake, but now he is hanging out with a fake person.
E. I feel like Holden is becoming a more humble person. At the beginning of chapter 16 he is talking about the nuns. And he says how he feels sad that they don't go to any fancy places to eat a meal. I feel like in early chapters he wouldn't have really cared about the nuns if this came up. However now Holden is becoming a more generous and humble person. I also feel like Holden is becoming a more free person. Like he lets his thoughts roam free, and he is not so hyped up about certain situations. He is becoming more relaxed which I think is very important to be during teenage years. "'If a body catch a body coming through the rye.' It made me feel better. It made me feel not so depressed any more." This is showing how he has become more relaxed and not as depressed as he previously was. I also feel that Holden has started to become more aware of his surroundings., and isn't as oblivious to things.
I. I agree with what Ian said in his F response. I don't see how they get along either. Holden calls her phony, and he says that he hates people whoare fake, but yet he talks so highly of Sally. It's like whenever he is talking about Sally he is contradicting himself and even going against what he has been saying the whole time.
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Post by petergiglio on Mar 19, 2014 18:50:59 GMT -5
c I think it was kind of confusing the way that Salinger introduces the reason for the title of this book. It's just some kid walking down the street singing the lyrics. I thought it was funny the way that Holden heard it incorrectly and said it to his sister and she had to correct him. She is quite smart for a girl her age, definitely smarter than Holden. Also why does holden go to the museum even tho he knows phoebe isn't there.
G. If I was Holden I would just sit down and think really hard about what I am going to do with my life and how I'm gonna do it . He should come up with some sort of plan to turn his life around and I know it's difficult because he is sort of a lost soul but he should follow his heart and try to find what he enjoys.
I. I agree with Jackson that Holden is becoming more humble when he talks about the nuns and not going to fancy places but I also feel like he feels like he doesn't deserve nothing nd he had to be humble
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Post by hessd16 on Mar 19, 2014 19:52:57 GMT -5
i. i agree with Jackson: "E. I feel like Holden is becoming a more humble person. At the beginning of chapter 16 he is talking about the nuns. And he says how he feels sad that they don't go to any fancy places to eat a meal. I feel like in early chapters he wouldn't have really cared about the nuns if this came up. However now Holden is becoming a more generous and humble person. I also feel like Holden is becoming a more free person. Like he lets his thoughts roam free, and he is not so hyped up about certain situations. He is becoming more relaxed which I think is very important to be during teenage years. "'If a body catch a body coming through the rye.' It made me feel better. It made me feel not so depressed any more." This is showing how he has become more relaxed and not as depressed as he previously was. I also feel that Holden has started to become more aware of his surroundings., and isn't as oblivious to things. "
c. why is Holden going on a date with Sally,it is definitely not because they have things in common. is it true that maybe Phoebe and Jane are the only two people that truly care for Holden or how he feels? another thing that confused me as Peter said was that why did he go to the museum when he knew Phoebe was not there.
e. i feel like Holden is so desperate to find love that he will go out with anyone if there is an inkling of a chance of love. I also feel like this can all be solved by him just going and telling Jane how he really feels, because that from my point of view is the biggest chance at love that Holden has.
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Mar 19, 2014 20:03:04 GMT -5
E. I think that Holden just wants someone to be with him. He really is lonely and have been saying this from the beginning. Him confessing his love for her and asking her to run away together is because he wants to be loved. C. I dont see why Holden Is so afraid to communicate with Jane. That is probably his only shot to be happy and not feel lonely anymore so he has to take it soon. I. I agree with with richteri16 F. I dont think they have anything in common either, I think the right person is Jane. From what he says about her at least. |
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Post by raypark on Mar 19, 2014 21:08:04 GMT -5
C. This was an interesting two chapter to read. But there are alot of confusing things that I have trouble deciphering. One of them is his talk with Old Sally. Sally is an extremely nice girl in my opinion. She loves Holden and Holden definitely loves her as well. Sally accepts his rotten personality at times and was probably the only one to get very intamite with him. SO my question is why does Holden completely break everything with her? In my opinion I think Sally Hayes is a much better person than Jane. Sally is so much more accepting. So why does Holden even bring up the conversation of running away and living with her if he was going to just completely shut her down anyway? I felt like when Holden was telling Sally about this run away dream of his, his true feelings came up. I began to finally understand his goals and ultimate wants in this world that he hates. But why does he have to make the world that much worse for himself and put himself in a situation where he can't get out of easily.
A. Holden really needs to think before he acts or says something. Peter G. made a great point in class about that the other day. Holden's attitude as a whole made me, as a reader, extremely upset. Although I may just be over-reacting to this book, after reading this, I felt so disappointed. Holden's life could have turned for the better and yet he ruined this ample opportunity.
I. I agree with Peter G. on Salinger's introduction to the title of the book. What does the author want to tell the readers about this boy that is singing while running along side the sidewalk? Is it his relationship with his parents? Is it the peace that this boy is in while Holden wants that peace? Is it the fact that Holden sees Allie inside that boy?
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Post by michaelgenco on Mar 19, 2014 21:43:18 GMT -5
D. “That’s what I liked about those nuns. You could tell, for one thing, that they never went anywhere swanky for lunch. It made me so damn sad when I thought about it, their never going anywhere swanky for lunch or anything. I knew it wasn’t too important, but it made me sad anyway.” (Salinger 114) In this quote Holden contradicts himself. He first said that he hated Sally Hayes’s mother for going to “Swanky” places, and now he is saying he feels bad that the nuns can’t go to “Swanky” places. This quote also shows how Holden favors people who are in need. He likes helping people, and he hates seeing people how boast about themselves. It almost feels like he is jealous of the people how boast.
C.This quote shows an interesting side of Holden. “‘If a body catch a body coming through the rye.’ It made me feel better. It made me feel not so depressed any more.” Why does Holden not feel depressed anymore. To me it seems like Holden and Jane how Jane helped Holden when he lost Allie.
E. This Quote from Holden is creepy. “She was a very nice, polite little kid. God, I love it when a kid’s nice and polite when you tighten their skate for them or something. Most kids are. They really are. I asked her if she’s care to have a hot chocolate or something with me, but she said no, thank you. She said she had to meet her friend. Kids always have to meet their friend. That kills me.” First off the beginning of this shows how Holden is thinking of Phoebe. The second part is just plain creepy. No one asks a kid to have hot chocolate with them. Just no.
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Post by bakerm16 on Mar 19, 2014 23:28:19 GMT -5
E. Holden has really developed as a character throughout the Catcher in the Rye. We get introduced to him and he acts one way and then the more we find out about him through read the book through his point of view on everything we start to feel bad for him. Then he just pisses you off then you hate him but then you feel bad of him again. When we hear the part where holden is talking about the rye we see a less depressed Holden.
I. Ina kind of a corny response to a lot of the question I see people asking about why Holden hangs out with Sally is because opposites attract. I know this doesn't really fit a typical friendship or even a reason to be with someone but being with someone you not necessarily have anything in common with is sometimes more interesting than being with people that are exactly like you.
D. I hate how Holden analyzes people just to try to find something he doesn't like about them. That might be one of the only things I can't stand about Holden. It is a waste of time and it just makes you not like him. In a way I feel he can't help but do that. I think because of the frequency of him doing it it has become habit now.
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Post by hankmichels on Mar 20, 2014 7:28:53 GMT -5
E. So in this chapter we found out where the title, catcher in the rye comes from. Apparently some kid is walking down the street singing the poem: Comin’ Through the rye. This lifts holdens spirits and even encourages him to call jane. But going back to the poem, Its really odd. I looked up the whole thing and it’s about having sex in the rye (The rye is like a field with really tal grass or something.) Its kind of odd that a little kid knows it, maybe the kid is really messed up or maybe he is just repeating it, but holden probably knows the poem and why did that poem lift his spirits? Maybe it just reminded him of falling in love and that made him attempt to call jane.
G. I feel like holden desperately wants human companionship, but he cant handle being around anyone. He finally goes on this date with sally, but he completely screws up. The date starts out ok, but tension slowly rises, first when sally flirts with another guy. Then he sees her as stuck when they go to Rockefeller center for skating. It eventually ends with holden calling her a “Royal Pain In the Ass”. Holden cant be around anyone because of his mental instability. I feel like something is about to explode and something big will go down.
C. Why does Holden have to ruin his date? I wonder if his mind made him or if he just realized he hates her.
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Post by jotirmoykundu on Mar 20, 2014 11:54:44 GMT -5
I. I agree with Jackson’s post: "E. I feel like Holden is becoming a more humble person. At the beginning of chapter 16 he is talking about the nuns. And he says how he feels sad that they don't go to any fancy places to eat a meal. I feel like in early chapters he wouldn't have really cared about the nuns if this came up. However now Holden is becoming a more generous and humble person. I also feel like Holden is becoming a freer person. Like he lets his thoughts roam free, and he is not so hyped up about certain situations. He is becoming more relaxed which I think is very important to be during teenage years. "'If a body catch a body coming through the rye.' It made me feel better. It made me feel not so depressed any more." This is showing the change of him going from depressed to normal. I think Holden is not as oblivious to things and is getting more aware of his surroundings
D. I like how Holden judges people so he can just find something he doesn't like about them and he tries so hard to find it. This is some of the only things I can stand about Holden. This wastes time ultimately. From the amount he does it, I wouldn’t be surprised if he can’t stop.
C. Why does Holden find it essential to ruin his date? I wonder if it is him making himself do that or just realizes this girl isn’t for him.
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Post by youssefj16 on Mar 22, 2014 9:42:23 GMT -5
E. In this chapter, we hear a kid walking down the street singing a poem in which the title of the book comes from- "Comin through the Rye". In reply to Hank's (E) post about how hearing this, Holden's spirit is lifted up and he is encouraged to call Jane, I found this really funny because this poem is about sex and I don't know how this would lift his spirit. Maybe he just liked the way the kid was singing it. And why is the kid even singing it?
I. I agree with Hank's reply about how Holden cant't even keep a relationship going with anybody. I feel like he has social problems and we know he has mental problems. So many little things annoy the hell out of him. This is going to be a huge problem in the future because i feel like it's going to affect his relationship with Jane.
B. A scene that I thought was very interesting was when Holden was helping the kid with her skates and trying to talk to the kids at the seesaw. You can tell that Holden is trying very hard to replace his younger sister. I have a feeling that Holden is getting very homesick and he's definitely getting very lonely.
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Post by zaysofly on Mar 23, 2014 19:01:38 GMT -5
D: I thought it was really weird that Holden was feeling so comfortable around the nuns. he isnt the most relgious person, and hiis personality is not all that great aand he rarely likes anyone. Maybe he just feels that if he is nice to them because he feels that maybe something god will happen to him.. i bet if they were normal old ladies he would not have payed that much mind to them, and maybe even ignored them. i think he was trying to over compensate himself for the crazy day he has been having. I think Holden really misses Phoebe. I think so because he seems to constatly connecting things to her. like that record he wanted to buy because Phoebe used to listen to it, even though it was a kids album. again we see Holden feeling very home sick and missing his family and friends back home. i mean he even goes to the park to look for her, regardless if she was going to be there or not, and he is excited to find a girl who knows Phoebe.
C: What is wrong with Holden, honestly? i mean the guy is so confused wether or not he wants to be an innocent little kid, or be an adult and run away with sally and live life alone in a cabin, yet he cantt even control himself and ends up insulting sally?
E; if i were Holden i would be so confused. i dont know what i wantt to do, be an adult or be a kid.
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Post by mikeloseto on Mar 28, 2014 18:26:41 GMT -5
C. I was really lost about the kid that was singing the song. For me, it felt like there was some hidden meaning or code behind it and it meant something. I'm not entirely sure what a body and a body would do if they met in the rye so it sounds like it means something else but I wasn't sure of what it meant.
D. The scene when Holden goes to get the record for Phoebe was kind of sad to me. As he is going to get the record, he starts to think of Phoebe. He reflects on who Phoebe is to him and he says that she is the only that understands him. Phoebe is 10....I found it really pathetic, and I couldn't help but feel bad for Holden, that a 10 year old girl is basically his best friend. I'm also concerned for Phoebe also. If she understand what Holden is going through, I feel bad for her. Holden has been going through so much and I'm not sure about how a 10 year old, innocent girl understands his situation.
I. I agree with what Isaiah was saying about Holden's confusion over being a kid or an adult. I don't understand what is going through Holden's mind. He doesn't know if he wants to be an innocent kid or a grown adult. I get the feeling that he wants to be an innocent kid, but he keeps doing things that prove otherwise, like going to the club and trying to pick up women.
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