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Post by Mr. Thomas on Sept 12, 2013 9:40:34 GMT -5
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Post by richteri16 on Sept 12, 2013 11:57:22 GMT -5
A. The last part of the packet that talks about what a hero goes through during a journey. I think that this has a really good connection with experiences that people have in our world. For example the “Refusal of the Call” could be about regular people ignoring their calling to what is meant for them. For example a person that should be an engineer just becomes an office worker or a teacher becomes a police officer instead. People have to realize what is meant for them so they can continue on their path to be their own hero. E. I found the idea of the “collective unconscious” quite interesting. The idea that we as a species share a consciousness so to say is quite astounding. We gather our experiences and feelings and put them into the media that we watch or read every day. With that it is added to the consciousness and the world is now aware of it. It is almost like a public service announcement that everybody receives in the mail. One person comes up with the idea and it is written down and sent to people. Now everybody knows of it. This is right in front of us every day yet we hardly realize it even now when information can travel at the press of a button. D. “In other words, stories don’t change-the names of the characters change, but the stories at the core are all the same”. This line here is very interesting to me. Stories are passed down from generation from generation but some details may change. An example of this could be the stories of the bible. Small details were changed over time as the audience changed but the core message always stayed the same.
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Post by johnaviles on Sept 12, 2013 16:31:18 GMT -5
richteri16 I. I agree with what your'e saying in your part A. People sometimes go through life trying to please others and impress others or maintain an image they feel they should have when in reality there a completely different person with completely different interests. Although it can be hard to figure out what you may want as a person sometimes going through those journeys could enlighten you or make you more genuine.
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Post by johnaviles on Sept 12, 2013 17:11:22 GMT -5
A. I felt the reading relating to a personal aspect of my life, not really knowing exactly who I am or what I want. Fortunately I am still young so I have time to think however the decisions I make now or the activities I do I only feel I do because that’s what people look at best or are more respectable even if I don’t exactly like these decisions or activities. It also mentions “In the stories that speak to us most deeply, these elements remain remarkably constant.” I feel I relate to this line because whenever I see something deep, it remains remarkable constant and I like to see how I can apply that deep element in my life or how it does. D. “He often gains some new powers and sets off with them. Eventually the hero re-emerges to his society with these new abilities bringing a boon to his society which somehow restores that society.” I enjoyed these lines because I felt it was spot on with describing a hero model, it seems like all of them are pretty much along the same lines with some variations but with the ultimate endpoint. I found this interesting. E. My reaction to reading about the “collective unconscious” including me being very interested and surprised. I didn’t realized that “experiences stored in collective unconscious often manifest in myth, religion, dreams, fantasies, as well as in literature and folklore.” I understood dreams sometimes can put into stories but I was surprised to hear how they can manifest in religion and literature.
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Post by hankmichels on Sept 12, 2013 18:34:11 GMT -5
D. I really enjoyed reading the “Campbell Hero Model”. It really does a great job of explaining how most adventures go. In fact, I inserted several movie/ book plots and they all fit extremely well- especially the Hobbit. It also seems that it necessary for a story to follow those guidelines or the movie will just be crap. (i.e. The Smurfs, Home Alone 4). The movies that do fit those guide lines are all the great ones like Inception and the Lord of The Rings Movies.
E. I have to admit, the packet really lost me at first, and I really had no idea what it was trying to say. Eventually it all came together, but it was confusing. The whole collective unconscious still confuses me. But I really liked the Idea of how the repetition of different themes/plots in stories is because of how we are all human and we all have had similar experiences in our lives. It also seems to serve as some sort of explanation to why Greek and Roman gods were so similar, or even why ancient societies developed separately but similarly.
C. I’m not sure I understand the collective unconscious. I understood up till where it said that our ancestors have been repeating themselves over and over again. Then when it saying, “Our experiences gather in a collective unconscious” I was lost. Is this saying that we all share one mind? Or could it be that our ancestors influence us all similarly. But we never knew them, so is it saying that our memories are passed down and hidden in a part of our brain? Im confused.
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Post by hessd16 on Sept 12, 2013 18:59:12 GMT -5
(Dakota Hess) B. If it were not for archetypes good or bad, stories would have no story lines! There would be no conflicts and especially no heroes. This text explains the very importance and meaning of archetypes both good and bad. The importance of a hero archetype is for the ‘Ordinary World’ to have their sanity and safety. The reader or characters in the story depend on their hero for things. A. One other part that I was very entertained to read was the twelve stages of how a hero is formed (Campbell Hero Model). This model plays thought one of my favorite things to read: comics. As peter parkers grandfather said to him “with great power comes great responsibility” Spiderman is a great representation to hero archetypes. Spiderman goes through all of the tests of a hero. He is called to duty by his city, New York. He is tested in many different aspects by villains and even goes through dark stages. But, that is the point of a hero archetype, to be tested and challenged and still be true to that ‘call of duty’.
E. I really enjoyed the reference to the Godfather in this writing. The comparison is a great one. The pain, loss, and all other things went through by this gang to keep their personal code. I also really enjoyed that said “viewing bad guys as the good guys”. These types of heroes I feel are always the more impacting types. They are doing something bad, but for a good reason.
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Sept 12, 2013 19:21:01 GMT -5
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Post by madiganj16 on Sept 12, 2013 19:21:01 GMT -5
A. At the last page of the informative text, the Twelve Stage Hero Model really does relate to what I've done last year for school. I always lived in Hoboken, New Jersey and went to schools there, but I've been asked to go to a school in New York City, New York called Xavier. I was scared at first, but I went to Xavier for an Open House and when I met the tour guide, he helped me decide to go to this school. I begin school as a freshman and I face my first problem which I end up overcoming. During my quest, I met friends Long the way that helped me in school and I met an enemy named homework. Sometimes I hit a setback to keep learning so I kept finding different ways to fix those problems. Towards the midpoint of my quest I find out I have to comple my midterms to continue, and I do that. I'm finally about to finish my quest by using all of my skills to beat the last trial, Final Exams. I complete that part of the quest and I finally to back home to show my mom my results. B. The paragraph on page 2 says, " These recurring character types, patterns, descri
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Archetypes
Sept 12, 2013 19:30:57 GMT -5
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Post by madiganj16 on Sept 12, 2013 19:30:57 GMT -5
A. At the last page of the informative text, the Twelve Stage Hero Model really does relate to what I've done last year for school. I always lived in Hoboken, New Jersey and went to schools there, but I've been asked to go to a school in New York City, New York called Xavier. I was scared at first, but I went to Xavier for an Open House and when I met the tour guide, he helped me decide to go to this school. I begin school as a freshman and I face my first problem which I end up overcoming. During my quest, I met friends Long the way that helped me in school and I met an enemy named homework. Sometimes I hit a setback to keep learning so I kept finding different ways to fix those problems. Towards the midpoint of my quest I find out I have to comple my midterms to continue, and I do that. I'm finally about to finish my quest by using all of my skills to beat the last trial, Final Exams. I complete that part of the quest and I finally to back home to show my mom my results. B. The paragraph on page 2 says, " These recurring character types, patterns, descriptions and conflicts are archetypes." The importance of archetypes is always a high rating on a scale. Without archetypes, stories would be bland, and just a representation of someone's memory and not a story of fiction and tales. Archetypes are essential for stories to have a good storyline. E. One of the ideas I became interested in was on page 2 and it said, Collective unconscious: You have an individual unconscious state, but humanity also shares an unconscious; as humanity continues to grow, the pool of experiences in the collective unconsciousness continues to grow as well. This idea interested me because when any is born they store memories in their brain which they will probably keep to themselves, causing a huge amount of stories that have not been told waiting to be remembered.
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Post by wagnerj16 on Sept 12, 2013 20:07:11 GMT -5
B. Without Archetypes there would truly be no point to a story. The story would be very bland and have no story line. In the passage it talks about the Hobbit and how there is a point A to point B. Without their mission to find the dragon with all the gold, there would be no story and also there would not be the lord of the rings series. Also without Archetypes their would be no villains or heroes making the story even blander. E. In the begining of this document I didn’t understand any of it. And to be honest I still don’t understand what the collective unconscious is. But what I do find interesting is how we all use the same types of plot and themes because we all share similar expieriences in our own lives. I also like how there is a twelve stage Hero model in the back saying the specific things it takes to be a hero. I. hankmichels I agree with what you said about how this ties between the Roman and Greek gods. Because everybody has faced similar expieriences it would make sense why their Gods do the same things as each other, and how they have human characteristics. But I would also like to tie this to other gods such as the egyptian gods. They two have the same characteristics of Roman/Greek gods, such as how they act nd what they are gods of. For example the Greek god Hades rules the underworld but in Egypt Osiris is.
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Post by idelfonsoe16 on Sept 12, 2013 20:15:09 GMT -5
D. Although this is the very first “quote” in the packet, this really showed me something: “We would like to believe that humans in each region are different, but actually we are more similar than different…” This makes me contemplate on how the world is today. Do people think that other people are separated because of religion? Do they ever try to realize that we could all be the same in religious aspects, and probably even politically? Have we ever had the slightest idea that our enemies could be our true allies? We could potentially all be the same at heart, but some of us could’ve changed for the worse because of their own reasoning! C. What confused me most in this packet is the picture presentation on Personal Consciousness, Personal Unconsciousness, and Collective Unconsciousness. Does that symbolize our creativity while we are asleep? It looks like an iceberg. I’m predicting that what we see is something small, but in reality that “thing” is huge. Does this symbolize our imagination with storyline development? Does this picture the human mind while we are awake and asleep? It looks like a type of “chart” that shows us our creativity in certain actions. B. On page four, the second little passage in section H, this is a major piece of information. This makes us think all every single story that exists in the world is bounded together in one universe. That means that each single story may have its own storyline, but it takes place in the same “universe”, just at a different time or place. (Eric Idelfonso)
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Post by petergiglio on Sept 12, 2013 20:21:07 GMT -5
A. I find that the twelve hero stage model was really the best way to completely sum up what the article was trying to get across to the reader. This model still is active in modern day life, movies, stories or books. Now movies seem to be very predictable, although still very interesting everybody in the movie theater knows the general ending of the movie which is the hero accomplishes his goal in the nick of time to save himself and everyone, unless of course the movie is Paranormal Activity. B. The way that this part of the article is separate and most significant is that it opens every bodies eyes to see something new and know how the universal is produced and functions. Also it states the importance of an archetype and makes you think what a story or movie would be without it which would be pretty bad. E. I really enjoyed reading about the collective unconscious and how it states the way everybody thinks and how they can interpret it in their mind and makes you wonder how we can put these images into our head and create an entire imaginary world in the blink of an eye with out thinking twice about it.
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Post by petergiglio on Sept 12, 2013 20:21:24 GMT -5
A. I find that the twelve hero stage model was really the best way to completely sum up what the article was trying to get across to the reader. This model still is active in modern day life, movies, stories or books. Now movies seem to be very predictable, although still very interesting everybody in the movie theater knows the general ending of the movie which is the hero accomplishes his goal in the nick of time to save himself and everyone, unless of course the movie is Paranormal Activity.
B. The way that this part of the article is separate and most significant is that it opens every bodies eyes to see something new and know how the universal is produced and functions. Also it states the importance of an archetype and makes you think what a story or movie would be without it which would be pretty bad.
E. I really enjoyed reading about the collective unconscious and how it states the way everybody thinks and how they can interpret it in their mind and makes you wonder how we can put these images into our head and create an entire imaginary world in the blink of an eye with out thinking twice about it.
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Post by Isaiah "ZaySoFly" Colon on Sept 12, 2013 21:02:34 GMT -5
Isaiah Colon C. So I am pretty sure I understand what an archetype is. It reminds me of what I have been learning in Biology about homeostasis and evolution. But I do have a couple of questions. So technically an archetype is a character frequently used over generations. So the story of Cinderella would also be an archetype right? I also have another question. How on this EARTH did Karl Jung find this whole subconscious thing out? It’s like I can’t tell if he’s insanely smart, or a crazy person. But whatever his sanity he was pretty on point with it all, so congrats to him. D. I really liked it, again, when it says that Karl Jung founded the collective subconscious. I don’t comprehend how you could even think about “thinking about it” this reminds me of another thing that boggles my mind. Albert Einstein invented the Atom Bomb. How? Exactly, it’s amazing how people just think it and do. E. I was wondering from when it said an example of an archetype was the picture of the knife stuck in the stone. I was wondering if speeches and saying could also be archetypes. For example, maybe in a few years, or if it isn’t already, will Martin Luther King’s speech be an archetype? Another example which I might think is an archetype. If anyone knows the saying from the bible an eye for an eye, would that also be an archetype. I really liked this reading even though it was kind of all over the place.
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Post by kkhurana70 on Sept 12, 2013 21:51:59 GMT -5
E- In the reading the concept of “collective unconscious” reminds me a lot of the movie Inception. This idea reminds of inception because it has a lot to do with dreams and the concept that our dreams reoccur and can affect our lives when we are not asleep. I also felt a sense of Inception like thoughts when the experiences in our dreams supposedly pool together and are stored in a collective unconscious. I also got the feeling of a parallel universe or something along those lines from the idea of collective unconscious. Another thing I found interesting from the collective conscious idea is that we can all share with each other without knowing. I-@ johnaviles, richteri16 I agree with the both of you on the fact that many of us try to be like others and reject what our true path is and what God created us to be. I also agree on the fact that sometimes when we finally realize this and decide to follow what is in our hearts we may become enlightened and more of a genuine person or someone closer to our inner self. D- In the reading the part I found to be most enjoyable were the line on the back page “Campbell Hero Model”. I found these interesting because in the Twelve Stage Hero Model I was able to place many of my favorite characters from movies, books, video games, etc. into the proper category and this made it more enjoyable to read. I also liked the idea of a hero reaching the peak or the “supreme ordeal” resulting in the hero “gaining the reward” and being forever challenged by the experience because it was some new terminology for me and it allowed me to look at particular stories differently by knowing this.
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Post by michaelgenco on Sept 12, 2013 22:06:32 GMT -5
D “Suddenly and unexpectedly, either by chance or by choice, Everyman is either pulled out of his ordinary life or chooses to leave his ordinary life to launch into a great adventure, whose ending he cannot know at the beginning.” I totally agree with this quote. In Religion class my class is learning becoming who you are. When I read this quote I can’t stop thinking how right it is. Sometimes there are curveballs thrown at you, but you should wait and be patient with what is going on. In Religion class my teacher says that becoming yourself is driven by your desires, and thats want life is about.
A. I thought that the last page where it had the Twelve Stage Hero Model was a great way to wrap the paper up. It seemed like it wrapped things up. Personally I love the idea of super heroes and their goals, and my favorite hero is Batman. Sadly, because I watch and read a lot about super heroes, the endings and plots are always the same. It is almost like you can predict the future.
C. I was kind of confused with the notes in the beginning. It felt weird to read it in the format. Also, what is Elixir? It is stated on the end of the page number twelve of Twelve Stage Hero Model. Also, I am very confused with the collective unconscious. What does it mean and why is it important? In the notes it says that we share an unconscious, but as we grow the larger the collective unconscious gets. Does that mean that they believe we all know each others memories?
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