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Post by camtheman on Sept 9, 2013 21:27:34 GMT -5
C. @pelops- Why would you kill Myritus when he helped you gain Hippodameia's hand in marriage and entire town of Elis through her fathers death? " the wax pin melted causing the death of Oinomaius". If he hadn't helped you, you wouldn't have the things you do now? Was it because you thought he would be competition for Hippodameia or was it because you thought he would tell your secret?
E. I thought that when Atreus was angered by Thyestes's first child attacking his wife he went a little overboard. I thought he maybe was acting too irrational when he killed Thyestes's children, but when he decided to cook them in a stew and feed them to Thyestes, I thought he went completely insane. I think he could have handled it a little less violently. Atreus also caused more damage than I think he initially intended. By him feeding Thyestes his own children he made him seem depressed and driven crazy by the thought of him eating his own children. From the story it said " Thyestes, driven mad by the whole experience, wanders aimlessly through Greece".
H. The race is in a huge arena with the whole town present to make the win official. Most of the townspeople are dressed in robes and sandals. Hippodameia enters with her father Oinomaius. She is wearing an ornate dress with blue and gold colors. Her father is wearing his battle uniform. He approaches this race thinking Pelops will not win so he sends Hippodameia to sit in the stands and wait.
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Post by camtheman on Sept 9, 2013 21:28:39 GMT -5
C. @pelops- Why would you kill Myritus when he helped you gain Hippodameia's hand in marriage and entire town of Elis through her fathers death? " the wax pin melted causing the death of Oinomaius". If he hadn't helped you, you wouldn't have the things you do now? Was it because you thought he would be competition for Hippodameia or was it because you thought he would tell your secret?
E. I thought that when Atreus was angered by Thyestes's first child attacking his wife he went a little overboard. I thought he maybe was acting too irrational when he killed Thyestes's children, but when he decided to cook them in a stew and feed them to Thyestes, I thought he went completely insane. I think he could have handled it a little less violently. Atreus also caused more damage than I think he initially intended. By him feeding Thyestes his own children he made him seem depressed and driven crazy by the thought of him eating his own children. From the story it said " Thyestes, driven mad by the whole experience, wanders aimlessly through Greece".
H. The race is in a huge arena with the whole town present to make the win official. Most of the townspeople are dressed in robes and sandals. Hippodameia enters with her father Oinomaius. She is wearing an ornate dress with blue and gold colors. Her father is wearing his battle uniform. He approaches this race thinking Pelops will not win so he sends Hippodameia to sit in the stands and wait.
Cameron Smith
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Post by vazquezm16 on Sept 9, 2013 21:37:27 GMT -5
E. I found Pelops to be an untrustworthy character because he used Myrtilus to his advantage to win the chariot race, but as soon as Myrtilus came looking for a reward he had him killed. Pelops killed the person who had helped him achieve what he wanted which seemed odd.
C. The names throughout this entire story were confusing. Introducing so many characters in the beginning along with their nicknames was confusing. I also did not see the purpose of adding the nicknames in considering they were not referenced anywhere else in the story.
D. “Iphigenia obediently and faithfully arrived at Aulis where in front of all Agamemnon beheaded her. As though this was too savage Artemis is said to have relented and to have allowed a substitution of an animal for Iphigenia at the last minute.” I found this quote interesting because Iphigenia was obedient enough to go and be a sacrifice for Agamemnon. This required undying loyalty on her part.
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Post by nvanible on Sept 9, 2013 21:38:41 GMT -5
Mycenaean Saga (post by Nicco Vanible)
E. When Atreus kills his brother, Thyestes children, “In punishment for this heinous act, Atreus decapitates the two children of his brother and serves them up to him at a dining table,” I felt a little disgusted. I felt like Atreus’ so-called “revenge” was either too drastic or completely unnecessary at all. Although he may have been angered by his brother, but that in no way or form means to murder his brother’s children, and then trick him by feeding it to him in a stew. This then gets me thinking of the cruel treatment siblings have for one another, making me wonder, “What would be the punishment if it wasn’t his sibling that got him flustered?”
D. The quote, “As the race between Pelops and Oinomaius began, with Hippodameia left at the starting line, since Oinomaius felt that Pelops posed no serious challenge to him, the skill of Pelops as a charioteer emerged quickly and at a critical turning point in the course, the wax pin melted causing the death of Oinomaius,” made me laugh and face palm. Reasons being I laughed because Oinomaius felt that he had the race won, but ultimately suffered a gruesome end. I find a bit of iron in that, especially how he doesn’t bring his beautiful daughter, believing 100% percent that he’ll win. I face palmed however because he severely underestimated Pelops, and I know that almost all the time, the underdog almost always wins. So, seeing him die made me think that he had it coming as he was arrogant, but didn’t necessarily deserve it.
F. When Thyestes attacks, “Thyestes has several children as well, but as the first victim of the curse, is possessed by a base desire to attack Aerope,” made me realize that it wasn’t so much Thyestes voluntary decision to attack Aerope, but a side effect of the curse. I felt that his relationship with his brother, Atreus was strained, as when Thyestes does one mistake, Atreus immediately resorts to killing some of his children. I felt like their personalities for as long as they have been shown, seemed to have clashed, as Atreus was so willing to kill his brother’s children, maybe indicating some bitter confrontations in the past.
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Post by petergiglio on Sept 9, 2013 21:56:22 GMT -5
A. I think one aspect of this reading that can relate to peoples personal experience is that fighting for the girl that you want to be yours but there are also other people that want to have this girl but she doesn't seem to care who she's with as long as she has the attention of all the men around her. They don't really have an opinion on any of the guys but as long as she ends up with one of them shes happy.
C. what caused my confusion throughout the story was the jump from one story to another. It seemed like after Atreus killed his brothers children and fed them to him it jumped into a completely different time and scene. I also feel like some important details of the story are missing as how he killed the children and that whole scene which makes the story more confusing. The last thing I don't understand is how all these characters enter the story and what their purpose in the story.
E. My reaction to Atreus is he seems to be completely insane, no matter what mental disability you have it is beyond levels of insane to cook human flesh and feed it to someone especially relatives. Also, why is he the fist victim of the curse and what exactly is the curse? Does he know that he has the curse or is this how he thinks everybody around him operates? He seems to have no remorse for any of his actions and holds quite the grudge on someone. He sounds like someone who shouldn't be messed with.
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Post by adrianfilpo on Sept 10, 2013 1:30:53 GMT -5
C. I know that Pelpos killed Myrtilus in order not pay him, but why didn’t he realize he could’ve easily paid him? He had an entire kingdom thanks to the help of Myrtilus. If Myrtilus hadn't helped Pelpos, Pelpos wouldn’t have won the race, wouldn’t have a wife, and wouldn’t have a kingdom. And if Pelpos simply paid Myrtilus, he wouldn’t have been cursed.
E. I found it really weird when Atreus kills two of Thyestes children and serves them to him. One of Thyestes only attack’s Atreus’s wife, Aerope, and he only attacks her because he’s possessed. And what makes it weirder is that no one knows about the curse, so it’s just like senseless killing. And Atreus kind of took of overboard when he killed his nieces/nephews and fed them to his brother, like the first nephew only attacked Atreus’s wife, it doesn’t he killed her.
D. The quote, “Thyestes, driven mad by the whole experience, wanders aimlessly through Greece and one day unites with a young girl, Pelopia, who was his child, born after his departure from the house of Atreus,” is very amusing. Because of course the first thing someone would do after they have found they ate their own children is to find a girl off the street and make more. What’s weird is that, in the quote, it says “a young girl, Pelopia, who was his child.” I’m not quite sure if it’s talking about they kid they conceive or that Pelopia is actually one of his many children.
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Post by jotirmoykundu on Sept 10, 2013 5:56:09 GMT -5
C- I felt that there were too many relations in the story, which cause a lot of confusion. They kept on mentioning a new character and that would throw me off, but I understood most of it after I read and reread. I also at first didn’t get why Oinomaius joined the race of his own kingdom and for his daughters hand.
F- The Relationship of the two brothers Atreus and Thyestes. They both start up their own families but due to the curse, Thyestes covets Atreus wife and as punishment Atreus kills his kids and makes him eat them. The relationship between these brothers is sick and gory in my opinion, which is honestly not their fault because they can’t help it due to the course put on to them by Myrtilus , so Initially Pelops would have to take the blame. .
G- If I was Oinomaius, I would have had done the whole race thing completely different. For one, I wouldn’t have joined the race and just spectated to see who wins my lovely daughter’s hand. If I did join the race, which I clearly did, I would have made sure no faulty game was done to my chariot because everyone’s out to get me.
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Post by madiganj16 on Sept 10, 2013 7:03:22 GMT -5
C. Questions on The Mycenaen Saga Chapter 1: "This curse passes Pelops who dies a natural death as does his wife, both of whom were buried in seperate spaces near to one another within Altis walls at the site of Olympia. Pelops establishes the Olympic Games as well as the city of Olympia in memorial tribute to the valor of Oinomaius. These games were founded in the late bronzed age were not recorded officially until 776 BC." If he was dead than how did people find out about the Olympics. He could have recorded it somewhere before he died and people just find it for no reason, but it doesn't talk about either which confuses me on how people know about the Olympics.
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Post by michaelgenco on Sept 10, 2013 12:03:59 GMT -5
C. Not only was the names and nicknames were confusing to me, but also was the story itself. I understand that this is an old story, but I felt like there was no detail. Every line just jumped to the point, it didn’t tell you in detail what happened, which made it very confusing to follow. Also, in the Mid point section it felt like they were just jumping from person to person, and was just throwing everything at you.
A. The part where all of the men are trying to get the King of Elis, Ominomaius’ daughter Hippodameia reminded me of boys today trying to get the ‘pretty’ or ‘hot’ girl. Also, when Oinomaius thought that Pelops posed no real threat reminded me of like an underdog coming back to win, like the worse team comes back and beats the ‘over rated’ team.
E. After reading the part of the passage where Atreus decapitates the two children of his brother and the serves them to him was disgusting to me. Just thinking of someone’s sibling doing something so horrific and nasty really makes me think about everyone in my life, even my family. Even a murder in his or her right mind wouldn’t even do that.
My reaction to the part of the passage where Pelops wins the chariot race really makes me feel joy. Seeing someone that is the loser or the person who isn’t in the favor of winning that wins and comes on top makes me feel a lot happy.
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