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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 30, 2013 13:03:57 GMT -5
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Post by hankmichels on Oct 30, 2013 15:47:24 GMT -5
C. Why di Athena say that all the suitors had to be slaughtered? It just doesn’t seem right. Odysseus had, I thought, a really good strategy. Beg for food disguised as a beggar and those who gave him food were the good seeds and the ones who refused to give him food were the bad seeds. Then Athena comes along and tells him that Nope, everybody has got to die. I don’t even know why she did that. For one, it is not her decision to make. It is Odysseus’s house and he should decide who dies. Plus, why do they have to die. I know the bad ones do, but why cant the good ones just be forced to leave? There could be some people in that crowd that may feel obligated to be there because maybe there brothers are there. Or they could just be good people who are just ignorant to the fact that they are harming Penelope and her family. They could be just stopping by like we would swing by a county fair were we have no idea that the government has forced the farmer to let them use his land as fairground. I feel like the honest men should be let go.
B. I feel like this chapter isn’t to significant. I feel like it Is another paice in the build up to the epic finale. But then again we haven’t read the rest of the book yet.
F. I wonder how the meeting between begger Odysseus and Penelope will play out.
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Oct 30, 2013 18:09:41 GMT -5
Jackson Hill
C. I am confused on what is going on on page 356 where it starts describing what Telemachus is doing, Spear in hand, Telemachus strode on through the hall and out, and a pair of sleek hounds went trotting at his heels. And Athena lavished a marvelous splendor on the prince so the people all gazed in wonder as he came forward. The swaggering suitors clustered, milling around him, welcome words on their lips, and murder in their hearts. But he have them a wide berth as they came crowding in and there where Mentor sat, Antiphus, Halitherses too—his father’s loyal friends from days gone by.” I am confused on what is basically happening in these particular lines.
D. On page 362 it says, “Listen to him! the goatherd shouted back. All bark and no bite from the vicious mutt! One fine day I’ll ship him out in a black lugger, miles form Ithaca—sell him off for a good stiff price! Just let Apollo shoot Telemachus down with his silver bow, today in the halls, or the suitors snuff his life out—as sure as I know the day of the king’s return is blotted out, the ling is worlds away.” I like these lines because of the tone that they are written in. The tone is a good one for these particular lines.
I. I agree with Hank I am also anxious to see what will happen between Odysseus and Penelope.
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Post by petergiglio on Oct 30, 2013 19:42:09 GMT -5
G. If i were Odysseus I would be very anxious too see my wife that i havent seen in so many years plus i woulndt know what to say to her first plus i would be anxious to even see what she looks like because people change over time and this was a long period of time so he doesnt even know what to expect and neither do we because i have a feeling homer is really gonna pick up the book from here and take it to the next level and leave everybody shocked.
C. I really hope that this rising action of the story doesnt lead to be anti climactic like the last one did because that left me a little disappointed. also im confused and shocked to hear that athena wants all the suitors to be slayed and plus i was never clear as to why she is helping odysseus or looking over him so much she seems to be like a guardian angel.
I. I agree with hank and like i said i cant wait to see penelpope and odysseus meet for the first time and i am too confused is to the way athena is acting here
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Post by johnaviles on Oct 30, 2013 20:38:18 GMT -5
C. I’m really confused as to whose side Athena is really on now. She is skeptical and makes me suspicious of what her intentions are. I feel this way because randomly she wants to kill all the suitors when she has never mentioned this before. I wouldn’t be surprised if she completely messes up Odysseus’ plan and turns against him.
D. “Now from her chamber came discreet Penelope, bursting into tears as she flung her arms around her darling son and kissed his face and kissed his shining eyes and sobbed..” This line I really enjoyed because Telemachus and his mother and finally reunited and now Penelope hasn’t lost her entire family, she at least has her son back.
F. I think Telemachus and Theoclymenus have a good relationship so far. Telemachus has made sure he is well taken care of and Theoclymenus listens to him and wishes to bring him gifts. “Quickly now, Telemachus, send some women to my house to retrieve the gifts that Menelaus gave you.
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Post by michaelgenco on Oct 30, 2013 20:39:46 GMT -5
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There is a quote that I don’t understand: “But you, you never had the heart- before those insolent suitors crowd back to the house- to tell me clearly about your father’s journey home, if you’ve heard any news.” Why would Penelope talk to Telemachus like this. Why would she think that he doesn’t have a heart because of that? “Just let Apollo shoot Telemachus down with his silver bow, today in the halls, or the suitors snuff his life out- as sure as I know the day of the king’s return is blotted out, the king is worlds away.” First off, I am very confused about the saying or phrase of ‘Apollo shoot down with his silver bow. We’ve seen this throughout the book and it seems weird. Is that the way they used to say or wish someone death? “Odysseus was torn... should he wheel with his staff and beat the scoundrel senseless?- or hoist him by the midriff, split his skull on the rocks?” Why would he think so gruesomely?
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A quote that I thought was funny was this: “I know, I see your point, there’s sense in this old head. So let’s be off. And from now on, you lead me all the way. Just give me a stick to lean on, if you have one ready-cut. You say the road is treacherous, full of slips and slides.” I thought that this was funny because Odysseus is saying that he is an old man now. I don’y know if that is the character he is playing now or him.
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I agree with Jackson Hill that I am confused with what is going on with Telemachus on page 356
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Post by bakerm16 on Nov 3, 2013 13:45:50 GMT -5
C. What is Athena thinking? The more we go on through the book the more worried I get about her true intentions about everything. So far she has led Odysseus in a good direction, but I am concerned and confused for Odysseus about what the intentions of Athena are when she declares all suitors must be killed. I. I agree with petergiglio I would feel so anxious to see. My wife after all it has been over 20 years. She could look totally different for all I know. I would hope she is ok and hasn't fallen for any suitors which makes me more anxious to see her. The more time goes by the less attached we become to each other. I. I also agree with Jackson I have not idea what is going on on page 356. |
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Post by richteri16 on Nov 3, 2013 14:40:44 GMT -5
E. I was disappointed and shocked by lines 168-176. Telemachus blew the whole plan! He was not supposed to tell anyone about Odysseus being on the island. Now he is going off and telling his mom that he is there. I bet she will do something stupid now and tell the suitors to go home or something. Then they will start killing everyone! Even though he said that he heard a prophecy about him being there it still counts. He could have easily blown his and his father’s cover. I think that there will be repercussions for this in the future.
F. Well according to lines 234-253 not everybody likes Eumaeus. Some random guy is just waling down the path and starts verbally assaulting Eumaeus and Odysseus. He calls them lazy and scum for going out to be on the streets. You don’t just come out and do that to some random group of guys. Even if you are having a bad day you don’t do that. Maybe he has some sort o hatred to the poor and beggars. Maybe he is really rich and has this kind of looking down upon the poor and he doesn’t want them in his city. It is either that of Eumaeus has some bad blood between some guys of the town.
I. I agree with hankmichels on option B. This reading was a bit of a bore. Nothing big really happened. Maybe the next half of the book will pick up a bit but I don’t see how.
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Post by wagnerj16 on Nov 3, 2013 21:12:23 GMT -5
I. I think I have an answer for rozzayhill007. The line, “Spear in hand, Telemachus strode on through the hall and out, and a pair of sleek hounds went trotting at his heels. And Athena lavished a marvelous splendor on the prince so the people all gazed in wonder as he came forward. The swaggering suitors clustered, milling around him, welcome words on their lips, and murder in their hearts. But he have them a wide berth as they came crowding in and there where Mentor sat, Antiphus, Halitherses too—his father’s loyal friends from days gone by.” I think this is meant to make him seem like he has power. And Athena is basically helping him to look like this. And the suitors are acting like they are happy to see him but really want to kill him. C. I’m still really confused with Athena. Why does she insist that all suitors must die? I mean a lot of them probably are just there cuz they think Odysseus is dead. Why else would they be there. And also I don’t think that everyone wants kill Telemachus that just have to go along with it. B. I don’t think that this chapter is too important. We dont really find out very much they are simply setting up for the attack. Telemachus is in and now so is Odysseus. However I think that they might need to watch out for Altinous now that he is angry at the beggar, Odysseus. |
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Post by vazquezm16 on Nov 4, 2013 7:12:25 GMT -5
D. I found Melanthius’ actions against Odysseus deplorable. When Odysseus is making his way to the palace to gain more information about the suitors Melanthius treats him with no respect as if he were nothing. “Wild reckless taunts-and just as he passed Odysseus the idiot lurched out with a heel and kicked his hip but he couldn’t knock the beggar off the path he stood his ground so staunchly. Odysseus was torn… should he wheel with his staff and beat the scoundrel senseless?-or hoist him by the midriff, split his skull on the rocks?” I believe that it would have been perfectly fine for Odysseus to kill this guy because of how disrespectful he is. Even if Melanthius did not know who Odysseus was he should not treat anybody like that.
C. I was confused as to why Theoclymes tells Penelope that Odysseus is in Ithaca. I think this could potentially be dangerous to Odysseus and Telemachus. This could wreck their plan if it got out. I think Theoclymes should have thought about the consequences more before revealing that Odysseus was in Ithaca, even if Penelope did not believe him. I think with how careful Odysseus and Telemachus have been to safeguard this information that Telemachus should have told Theoclymes to be more careful.
I. I agree with petergiglio. Odysseus must be dying to what has happened to his wife and his house. I am surprised that Odysseus is not trying harder to get to his house and see his wife, but instead spending time dealing with people along the way.
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Nov 4, 2013 8:55:16 GMT -5
C. When I was reading this I was very confused is whether Athena was still on Odysseus's side or if she was now with the suitors because she seems to be unsure of it. Why doesn't she insist that all the suitors are dead. More that I read, I wouldn't be surprised if Athena back-stabs Odysseus and is on the suitors side. If she left he would surely be helpless. I. Agree with hankmichels I really want to see the confrontation between Penelope and Odysseus, I think it will be interesting on how they react and the first things they will do when they see each other and how they will see each other. B. Honestly I thought this chapter was kind of pointless. Nothing really happens except the planning of the attack so it was kind of pointless, I think. Myabe it it will all be put together the meanig of this chapter at the end of the book. |
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Post by zaysofly on Nov 4, 2013 14:17:28 GMT -5
D: I thought it was a little weird how Theoclymenus new so sure that Odysseus was coming home. It's was kind of weird, even though he did read the omen with the eagle eating the dove, because he knew absolutely nothing of Odysseus whereabouts. Where as Telemachus had already knew of Odysseus and how he was doing but didn't tell anyone. I could see a shocked face on Telemachus and if I were him I would probably have chills running down my spine. Telemachus had just picked this guy up and saved his life from other people trying to kill him and all of a sudden he knows for sure that Odysseus will be fine? I also thought it was funny when Telemachus tells his crew members not to bring in his gift into the palace because he fears they might steal them. I predict that he might use these gifts to maybe distract the suitors so that he and Odysseus can kill all the suitors.
I: I disagree with HankMichaels about Athena wanting the slaughter of all of the suitors. I honestly think that all of the suitors should die for even stepping foot in the palace and trying to wed a already married women. Instead of cheering Odysseus on and wishing the best and that he was alive and safe throughout the war, they were living in his house, eating up his food and trying to get with his wife.
G: if i were Odysseus I would kill all of the suitors.
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Post by mikeloseto on Nov 5, 2013 17:39:10 GMT -5
C. I was also confused as to why Theoclymes tells Penelope that Odysseus is in Ithaca. He should have thought about what could happen to Odysseus if this were to be heard by others. Word could've gotten around about the whereabouts of Odysseus and bounty hunters or others could've searched for him, wishing to kill him. Even worse, if Penelope were to go look for Odysseus, she could've been captured or killed, leaving Odysseus in a very tricky situation.
G. If I were Odysseus, I would just kill all of the suitors. They're no used to him anyways and they always end up being more of a problem than being helpful.
I. I agree with what Isaiah said in his response for letter I when he disagrees with Hank. I also believe that all the suitors should've died for trying to take advantage of Odysseus and his "wealth." They tried to stay in his home, eat all of his food, and sleep/marry his wife instead of praising him for being a war hero.
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