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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 2, 2013 8:29:52 GMT -5
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Post by hankmichels on Oct 2, 2013 15:12:11 GMT -5
E. I thought that it was pretty cool idea how Odysseus says his name is Nobody. “Nobody- that’s my name. Nobody- so my mother and father call me, all my friends” (Lines 409-411). That way when the other Cyclopes came and yelled “ who is torturing you, friend” he replies Nobody is. They think he means nobody is hurting him, when he really meant Nobody is hurting me. That was pretty clever on Odysseus’s part. Of course it is kind of hard to believe that Odysseus could predict that all those things would play out exactly so he could tell the other Cyclopes that Nobody is hurting him. But it is still cool either way.
C. why doesn’t Odysseus and his crew run outside as the Cyclopes goes to do his morning chores? “Lifting the huge doorstep up and away, then slipped it back into place” (Line 350-351) I feel like they could have waited by the door and snuck through when it was open. The Cyclopes is supposed to be really big, so the doorway must have been big also. Then they could have hid or ran to the ships. Beats staying in the cave.
D. “we Cyclops never blink at zeus and zeus’s shield of storm and thunder, or any other blessed god- we’ve got more force by far.” ( Lines 309-311) that line does a great job of describing either how tough cyclopses are or how arrogant polyphemus is. It just is a witty move to say you are more powerful then the gods.
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Oct 2, 2013 19:55:20 GMT -5
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D. A quote that I enjoyed was said by Odysseus when he is explaining his encounter again with Poseidon. He says, “ So he laid his trap but he never caught me, no, wise to the world I shot back in my crafty way, ‘My ship? Poseidon god of the earthquake smashed my ship, he drove it against the rocks at your island’s far cape, he dashed it against a cliff as the winds rode us in. I and my men you see escaped a sudden death.” The reason why I like this quote is because of its descriptive detail and also it shows the strong side of Odysseus, while we still know that at times he can be like a soft teddy bear, crying his eyes out. It shows that Odysseus has two sides to him the soft side that is apparent at only certain times, and his macho side, which is shown throughout most books.
C. One thing that I am confused on is right after Odysseus is telling the Cyclopes of his story, why does he only kill the other two men, why not Odysseus as well. Also is there any apparent reason why he kills the men other than the fact that they are basically invading his home. Another question I have is why does the Cyclopes listen to Odysseus’ stories. Is he glad to have Odysseus there as company because everybody and there mothers are afraid of the Cyclopes.
E. I think that when the Cyclopes is doing his chores that Odysseus and his men should have escaped and not stuck around to risk their lives. I also believe that the Cyclopes should have eaten Odysseus at the same time as his men, but if he did eat him there would basically be no story left to tell, but I still would have roasted Odysseus just because he invaded my home.
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Post by johnaviles on Oct 2, 2013 20:26:31 GMT -5
C. I was confused with the beginning of the second half of the passage where Odysseus and his crew confront Cyclops. Odysseus sounds fairly confident when talking to Cyclops at first and even has the audacity to mention that he should be afraid of Zeus. I was confused as to why he would say that when first off, he doesn’t know if that could tick off Cyclops and second off, Zeus is against Odysseus anyway. “We’re suppliants-at your mercy! Zeus of the Strangers guards all guest and suppliants: strangers are sacred-Zeus will avenge their rights!”
D. I really enjoyed lines 430-440. It was a really good description of how the attack went down and the aftermath. There was a lot of detail and it made the scene seem more gruesome then it actually was. I could imagine his eye bursting after reading, “the broiling eyeball burst-its crackling roots blazed and hissed-as a blacksmith plunges a glowing axe or adze in an ice-cold bath and the metal screeches steam and it hardens.”
E. I was a bit shocked but satisfied reading the last lines of this passage, “And from there we sailed on, glad to escape our death yet sick at heart for the comrades we had lost.” I felt this way because the whole time I was reading this, I didn’t realize he was telling it in a flashback form, well at least that’s how I interpreted it.
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Post by alis16 on Oct 2, 2013 20:37:46 GMT -5
Stephen Ali Mr. Thomas English 10 Homework October 2, 2013 E. My reactions are to the scene in lines 240 – 340. During this scene Odysseus and his crew are entering the Cyclops’s cave. First of all I really don’t think it is the best idea to enter the cave of a thing that can kill you and your entire crew very easily. Second of all, it isn’t your home in the first place and you shouldn’t go invade someone else’s property without permission. I think Odysseus is going back to his old ways of being evil, like when he raided the village earlier in book 9. Regardless of what Odysseus was playing on doing I am glad that the Cyclops caught to teach him and his men a lesson. G. Cyclops 287- 630 – If I were the Cyclops when I realized Odysseus and his crew were in my cave trying to take my stuff and mess up my gave , I would have been furious . I also think the Cyclops in the story showed a lot of mercy on Odysseus and his crew. If I was the Cyclops I would of killed them right on the spot. I really don’t think Odysseus had any v=business doing what he did, because he could of easily gotten killed instead of his crew members. C. On line 355 Odysseus says “would Athena give me glory?’ By saying this does he mean would Athena save me at a time like this like she previously had.
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Post by richteri16 on Oct 2, 2013 20:47:59 GMT -5
C. On line 584 an interesting question is raised to me. We now see what is the reason of Poseidon to terrorize Odysseus. It is because the Cyclops prayed to him to make his journey home be long and have him return a broken man. Will this change the minds of the Islanders who want to give him a lift home? If their lives are threatened because of this curse will they take him? If I were to give somebody I knew a ride home and they were cursed I would not drive them home. No thanks I am not dyeing in a car crash or in the Islander’s case a possible sinking ship.
E. I was surprised to say the least at the reaction of the Cyclops on line 323. Odysseus is just talking to him and apparently the Cyclops just freaks out. He takes two men and smashes them on the floor. Their brains and guts were splattered on the floor. Like that is not bad enough he then rips off their limbs and eats them. Then he sucks out the bone marrow and then eats the bones! This happens three times! Yeah, thanks for the nice depiction of the Cyclops Homer.
D. I liked lines 433-447. Homer really gets detailed with the spike being pushed into the Cyclops’s eye. Homer describes the blood welling up around the spike. He talks about how the hot spike causes the eye to sizzle and pop. By the time the Cyclops rips it out of his eye I was thoroughly disturbed.
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Oct 2, 2013 21:13:06 GMT -5
D. I really liked how clever Odysseus was at this part. ( Lines 314-320) At This point the cyclops tries to cleverly ask for the location or the ship, IM guessing to destroy it. But Odysseus response with "My ship? Poseidon god of the earthquake smashed my ship" He basically lies to the cyclops by giving him a good excuse to not look for the ship because Poseidon destroyed it. He later goes on and says that his men barely made it out of the waters alive. C. I question i had while reading is when Odysseus gives him the wine, why would the cyclops drink it? wouldn't he think it was poison? And also how does Odysseus make the drug? Where does he get the ingredients? And is it special kind of poisonous wine, or did he put poison in it? It says its from the flower or god? What does that even mean? I. I agree with johnaviles yea they were really descriptive at that part, and gave me a really clear picture of the fight that went down. #worldstar
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Post by zaysofly on Oct 2, 2013 21:26:42 GMT -5
C: I am confused with one thing why didn’t Odysseus act faster, rather than sacrifice two men in the process? D: I thought it was really funny when the Cyclopes ate the two men and the rest of the crew freaked out. Hello, you were just about to rob someone twice your size. Like as if the Cyclopes did something wrong by eating them. Odysseus and his men where trespassing and about to steal all his food. But I do think that this chapter shows off Odysseus true cunning and knowledgeable self. Even though Odysseus doesn’t react as fast as he should have, in the end, it leads to a funny and smart victory. I thought it was really amazingly smart when he tells the Cyclopes that his name was nobody. That way when the other Cyclops’s came by to ask why he was screaming, he told them the irritable truth; that no one was killing him. This reminds me of an episode from SpongeBob, when Patrick is at the phone at the Krusty Krab and people call to make an order asking “is this the Krusty Krab” When they ask him this he answers saying “No, this is Patrick” He thought that they were talking to him personally but he didn’t understand that they were calling in regards to his establishment. G: If I were Odysseus, I would I 1, not gone into a Cyclopes home, 2, kill the Cyclopes before it got to me and my men. And 3, maybe worked a little bit faster to get off that island, and also, not pray to Poseidon after his son tried to kill him.
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Post by michaelgenco on Oct 2, 2013 21:27:30 GMT -5
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Why? Why does the Cyclops have to eat the army or humans? It make no sense to me at all. Why would Odysseus answer the Cyclops saying that his name was nobody? How is that smart what so ever. This giant is killing your men and you answer saying that? Lastly, why does the Cyclops only take 2 men every time, and why does he have this routine with the goats?
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One part of the book that really makes me scared is the part with the Cyclops. I can’t put it in my own words, so here is what the book says: “Not a word in reply to that, the ruthless brute. Lurching up, he lunged out with his hands toward my men snatching two at once, rapping them on the ground he knocked the out like pups- their brains gushed out all over soaked the floor- and ripping them limb from limb to fix his meal he bolted them down like a mountain-lion, left no scrap, devoured entrails, flesh and bones, marrow and all!” What the heck. This section just totally went from Odysseus traveling and being brave to his men getting eaten alive! To me it seems extremely disturbing just to think what Odysseus had to go through watching his close crew mates, which he just got out of war with, die brutally from this huge Cyclops. Another scene that I thought was very gruesome and weird was when Odysseus and his crew mates kill the Cyclops. The books says, "Hoisting high that olive stake with its stabbing point, straight into the monster’s eyes... and the broiling eyeball burst.” This seemed like a present day horror movie.
It gave me the chills.
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I agree with Jackson Hill’s D response. I think that quote is very interesting because it was very descriptive, and Odysseus shows his good speaking skills.
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Post by kkhurana70 on Oct 2, 2013 21:31:50 GMT -5
C- On lines 530-560 I did not understand why Odysseus felt the need to taunt and enrage the Cyclops anymore. Why would you bother it when you are not even off the island yet? I also did not get why he was so proud of raiding that village and being somewhat of a pirate. I also couldn’t believe that he would tell the Cyclops his name. Why would he also tell the Cyclops where he lives and who his father was? E- After learning that the Cyclops was the offspring of Poseidon all of the previous books made sense. It makes sense as to why Poseidon wanted Odysseus dead because he nearly killed his son and blinded him out of his only eye available. I was really shocked by this because until now I thought Poseidon was just a jerk who misused his powers and was not told anything from the other Gods because he was so crazy, but after discovering that the Cyclops that Odysseus injures, steals from, and taunts is the son of a God I actually think that Poseidon was right in his actions. D- A particular group of lines I liked were lines 320-340. I enjoyed these lines because of the numerous details as to what the Cyclops did after Odysseus and his crew try to pull a fast one over him by tricking him and the Cyclops responds by killing two crew members very barbarically and eats every bit of them. I also liked this part because I could imagine the Cyclops and the remains of the crew members all over the floor, and seeing the Cyclops feasting on their remains.
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Post by petergiglio on Oct 2, 2013 22:14:26 GMT -5
C. What I didn't understand was why did the cyclops have to eat the people that Odysseus was with. It just seemed pointless to me besides that he is just and it is saying that he wants to show his power and authority. Also I think that they had a chance to escape that they just let pass them by which seemed really stupid but also it seemed like Odysseus had some sort or plan but want ready to say it yet.
E. What I really enjoyed was when Odysseus says that he is "nobody" cause so when the cyclops goes and says who is hurting him or bothering him he says "nobody is hurting me" also how they escape under the fur of sheep that shows Odysseus' intelligence and wits and it really interested me
G. If I were Odysseus I would probably be dead. although he could be very devious and insane he is very smart and witty. He is quick on his feel and definitely has a gift but if I were him I wouldn't be able to think the way he does . He sees the world in a way no cosy else does and it's great to read
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Post by vazquezm16 on Oct 2, 2013 22:46:20 GMT -5
B. This reading relates to the rest of the text because we finally know why Poseidon is angry with Odysseus. After Odysseus blinds the Cyclops while trying to protect his soldiers the Cyclops curses Odysseus. The Cyclops are apparently Poseidon’s children. Since Odysseus hurt the one Cyclops all the Cyclops did was pray to Poseidon to wreak havoc on Odysseus. Odysseus does not realize how that will factor into his journey home at first. This gives us all the information as to why Odysseus is always crying has to work so hard to get home. Odysseus lost all of his men because he was arrogant after defeating the Cyclops. C. I did not understand why Odysseus revealed his name to the Cyclops. The first thing he told the Cyclops was that his name was “Nobody”. I do not think that he meant to say this on purpose but it worked in his favor when he was trying to escape. He got lucky when the other Cyclops came and did not understand what had happened. When they finally do escape Odysseus continues to taunt the Cyclops. He had already made it away but he became arrogant, thinking that he had outsmarted the Cyclops, and revealed his own name. if he had listened to his crew he would have stopped taunting the Cyclops and he would have not had to deal with the ordeals. I think this messes with Odysseus because he knows that his arrogance got his men killed. D. I enjoyed the quote when Odysseus kept egging the Cyclops on, not realizing the danger. “So they begged but they could not bring my fighting spirit round. I called back with another burst of anger, ‘Cyclops if any man on the face of the earth should ask you who blinded you, shamed you so-say Odysseus, raider of cities” This is the start of all of Odysseus’ problems just because he could not keep his mouth shut.
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Post by jotirmoykundu on Oct 3, 2013 3:13:43 GMT -5
C. I In this section of the reading, I was sort of puzzled with the confrontation with Odysseus and his crew members with the Cyclops. Odysseus in my opinion has gone crazy and actually tells the Cyclops he should be scared of Zeus. Why in the world would he say that because first off Zeus doesn’t even like Odysseus and is against him and second, he can get the Cyclops really mad. D. I really like Odysseus’ wit and clever manner in this part in lines 314-320. The Cyclops asks where there boat is, but it was obviously to destroy it, but Odysseus responds with "My ship? Poseidon god of the earthquake smashed my ship". He basically lies to the Cyclops, but also gives a truthful statement by telling him to not look for the ship because Poseidon destroyed it. He then later goes on and says that his men barely made it out of the waters alive. E. To say the absolute minimal least, I was baffled by the reaction of the Cyclops on line 323. While Odysseus is just talking to the Cyclops, the Cyclops just freaks out. He takes two men and smashes them on the floor and as gory as this sound, their brains and guts were splattered on the floor, but wait there’s more. He tears them apart and devours there limbs. Then he sucks out the bone marrow and then eats the bones and he doesn’t do this once or twice, but three times!
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Post by nvanible on Oct 3, 2013 5:38:11 GMT -5
D. The quote, “You better pray to your father, Poseidon,” I thought was revealing and a foreshadowing of what’s to come. In addition, it gives some sort of closure and or reason to behind Poseidon’s everlasting grudge against Odysseus, as well as why he continues to constantly torture Odysseus, despite also not being there for Zeus making the decree to let Odysseus go home. Also, I felt like the connection between the Cyclops & Poseidon was similar as both seemed to share similar personality traits, as well as similar ethics. On top of that, both don’t seem to think of “mortals” (humans) very fondly, and seem to be quick to make a judgment of somebody.
E. When Odysseus lies, “Nobody---that’s my name. Nobody so my mother and father call me, all my friends,’” I enjoyed this line as it perfectly shows a highlight of Odysseus. Although this scene represents how arrogant or egotistical he can be when he gains an advantage over his enemies, this perfectly displays how tactical, and quick-thinking Odysseus is. He had shown that he was quite the escape-artist in a way, and shown to be really good at persuasion. He finally uses it in his most dangerous situation yet, which is exactly allowed him to escape the treacherous Cyclops’ cave. In addition, Odysseus is represented as this trickster, capable of outsmarting his foes, over outmuscling them.
I. When jotirmoykundu said how he thought Odysseus was crazy for trying to get the Cyclops scared of the gods like Zeus, I didn't think he was crazy as much as he was truthfully building up the Cyclops' irritation as apart of his plan. Of course Odysseus probably let his abilities of persuasion go to his head a bit, however, he simply is trying to use is own "twisted" logic to counter and capture. Simply, trap the Cyclops in a plan of his that ultimately ends up succeeding.
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Post by Cameron Smith on Oct 3, 2013 21:09:40 GMT -5
I.A quote that I enjoyed too was said by Odysseus when he was explaining his encounter again with Poseidon. He said, “So he laid his trap but he never caught me, no, wise to the world I shot back in my crafty way, ‘My ship? Poseidon god of the earthquake smashed my ship, he drove it against the rocks at your island’s far cape, he dashed it against a cliff as the winds rode us in. I and my men you see escaped a sudden death.” The reason why also I like this quote is because of the detail and also it shows a strong side of Odysseus, while we still know that at times he can be easily saddened, crying his eyes out. It shows that Odysseus has two sides to him the soft side, and his tough guy side, which is shown throughout the story. C. On line 584 an interesting question came to me. We can now see why the reason Poseidon is trying to kill Odysseus. It‘s because he blinded the Cyclops and the Cyclops prayed to his father, Poseidon, to make his journey home be long and full of pain. Will this change the minds of the islanders who want to give him a boat home? If their lives are threatened because of this curse will they take him? G. If I were Odysseus I would probably be dead. Although he could be very idiotic, he is very smart and witty. He is quick on his feet and definitely has a gift for it. He sees the world in a way nobody else does.
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