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Post by Mr. Thomas on May 19, 2014 10:22:15 GMT -5
"Double, double toil and trouble..."
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Post by richteri16 on May 19, 2014 16:32:05 GMT -5
C. Right at the start of scene 5 I have a question. We see Hecate come and say to the witches that she is mad that they went along to mess with Macbeth. My question is that is she mad that they were messing with him in the first place or that they were doing it without her? Both of these are pretty valid points too. She could just be mad they are getting involved in the affairs of common men for their own amusement. On the other hand she could be mad that she is missing out on the fun because the three witches did not let he know.
D. You can really tell that the parts of the play that involve Hecate are not Shakespeare’s original work. For one the whole Hecate idea is just stupid. She came out of nowhere with no context. A good playwright like Shakespeare would not do this. Second, there is singing involved in these scenes. The thing about this is that if there were lines added by a guy making a musical then he would definitely add singing. Also, I am not familiar with Shakespeare making musicals.
E. The end of act 4 scene 2 is when I think that Macbeth really shows that he has lost his mind. He basically says that because Macduff has become a problem he will have to take drastic measures. He even says that the nefarious thoughts in his mind will have to come to fruition. These thoughts involve going to Macduff’s home and killing his family (no biggie). Without a doubt Macbeth has absolutely lost his mind. (He also seems to show no worry to killing innocent people, which adds to this).
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Post by stephanoscocoves on May 19, 2014 17:08:33 GMT -5
C. I was confused about what the 3rd creature that appeared during the scene with the witches. He was was a boy with a crown on his head and holding a tree. "Macbeth shall never vanquish'd be untill Great Birnam Wood to high Dunsinane Hill" I really am not sure what that means.
I. I agree with what mr thomas said about the second apparition. How it must have made macbeth feel safe that "none of woman born Shall harm Macbeth." Especially since everyone wants to kill him.
D. I like the quote "Then live, Macduff, what need I fear of thee". I like this quote because no matter how afraid macbeth might be of being murdered because of all the blood on his hands, he still never shows fear, which is odd because I cuold guess many people want him dead right now.
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Post by michaelgenco on May 19, 2014 17:27:35 GMT -5
D. A scene that I really liked in these scenes is when Lennox is telling us about how he thinks Macbeth killed Duncan and Banquo: “Things have been strangely borne. The gracious Duncan was pitied of Macbeth; marry, he was dead. And the right-valiant Banquo walk’d too late, Whom you may say, if’t please you, Fleance kill’d for Fleance fled. Men must not walk too late. Who cannot want the thought how monstrous it was for Malcolm and for Donaldbain to kill their gracious father? Damned fact, how it did grieve Macbeth.” (Act 3 Scene 6) For some reason I like how Lennox is realized that this whole thing is bs. We see Macbeth kill all of these people that were close to him and were his best friend and seem to not care at all. To see that the villain is slowly getting taken down makes me feel happy. Also, Lennox seems to be the only one with a brain to finally say this.
C. I don’t understand how Macduff, King Duncan’s son, can just go to England to get an army. How is that possible? Why the English King even care about them? In addition, are the babies that are showing Macbeth by the witches resembling the kids of King Duncan and Banquo?
I. In response to what we were talking about in class, I feel like the apparitions are basically getting Macbeth ready for war mentally. All of the apparitions are basically making him feel better about himself.
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Post by jotirmoykundu on May 19, 2014 18:04:33 GMT -5
I. I agree with richteri: “C. Right at the start of scene 5 I have a question. We see Hecate come and say to the witches that she is mad that they went along to mess with Macbeth. My question is that is she mad that they were messing with him in the first place or that they were doing it without her? Both of these are pretty valid points too. She could just be mad they are getting involved in the affairs of common men for their own amusement. On the other hand she could be mad that she is missing out on the fun because the three witches did not let he know.”
D. I can see what parts of the reading with Hecate which aren’t real. The whole concept of Hecate is stupid. A good playwright like Shakespeare would not do this and Hecate. I also didn’t understand the random singing. Also, I am not familiar with Shakespeare making musicals and thing like that so this was overall just different.
E. During this reading, by the end of act 4 scene 2, I see that Macbeth is on the verge of going crazy. He basically says that because Macduff is blocking him from his plans so he has to take him out. These thoughts lead him to thinking of killing him and his family. He definitely lost his mind.
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Post by idelfonsoe16 on May 19, 2014 18:45:49 GMT -5
C. How come Thomas Middleton messed around with Macbeth? Hecate has no LEGITIMATE SENSE in this story. If she had any role in the play, she at least would have been known as the “Puppeteer of the Witches”, like “Oh hey guys, I’m the true evil person controlling the witches behind the scenes, I’m awesome bye.” But no. She has no role in the Macbeth play. Why did they include her into the play book we have? She also has three MORE witches. Is this witch thing some sort of secret organization? Wandering Witches? Jeez, Thomas Middleton, make sense next time. Also, singing? I. I disagree with Jot’s E response. Macbeth is already crazy. Seriously crazy at this point. He killed Duncan, which was all he had to do right, but no. He sends murderers to kill Banquo, and is so paranoid that he sends a third murderer to make sure the other two don’t turn the tip of the knife. Then, Macbeth begins to see Banquo, and all the past kings, which drives him insane because HE only wants the crown to be worn BY HIM and HIM alone. Selfish much? E. Hecate has no purpose in this play. LEAVE AND NEVER COME BACK. She should’ve been in the beginning, and have some sort of revenge plot on Macbeth, probably a tragic love story or something, but what the juice. Come on she is so irrelevant that it was a waste of time listening to that honestly. She seems like she could’ve been useful.
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Post by raypark on May 19, 2014 18:49:53 GMT -5
C. There is a scene in which people ponder the fact of when Scene 5 was added into Macbeth. According to people, that scene was not made by Shakespeare but was made by a man named Thomas Middleton. It is clear that Shakespeare did not write this scene because of two facts. Firstly, it is not written in Iambic Pentameter. Shakespeare has only written his plays in Iambic pentameter. Also this scene has no ties to the story of the play. They introduce a new character named Hecate, the queen of the witches. And then they sing a song about this so called queen. What is this all for? If this is from the musical version of the musical called "The Witch" why is it still inside the real Macbeth play script?
E. The story is getting extremely intense. A character named Lennox is brought back into the story and he says that he knows that Macbeth is the real culprit. This makes things so much more interesting because Macbeth doesn't know that Lennox knows of his true colors. There are so much potential moves that Lennox can make to completely ruin Macbeth, but which route will he take? Also another interesting point came up. Macduff goes to the England and to get an army and get Macbeth. Macbeth on the other hand wants to kill all of Macduff's family. Sooner or later Macbeth will realize that if one keeps killing, killing becomes the problem.
I. I agree with Ian Richter that Macbeth has completely lost his mind. He hasn't learned from Banquo's ghost to stop killing people and he still doesn't think about the consequences.
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Post by rozzayhill007 on May 19, 2014 19:05:09 GMT -5
I. I agree with what michael genco said in his letter I response. I too think that the apparations are getting him ready for war. At the end of all the apparations he doesn't seemed as shaken as most would be. It's like he wasn't even scared at all maybe just a little confused, but I would be to if I was him. Macbeth is showing his strength and tougness, which is what is needed during times of war.
E. I think that Lennox is a very wise man because he was able to figure out that Macbeth had been behind all of the deaths that were occuring. He wasn't believing that the sons were the ones killing their fathers. He was skeptical about what was going on and he knew for a fact that it was Macbeth. According to Macbeth it was sons against fathers. Also Macduff straying away from the others was interesting because if he wanted to get rid of Macbeth he could have killed him without starting a huge war.
C. I don't know why Macduff would take it so far as to going into war. He is putting so many people in jeporody just to kill one person. Why would he go to such extremitites just to kill Macbeth? He could just set up an attack on Macbeth instead of killing others than just Macbeth.
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Post by hankmichels on May 19, 2014 20:08:40 GMT -5
E. I really enjoyed the entirety of scene1 of act 4. “Double double toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble”. This whole scene is just really cool because I have heard many of these lines like eye of newt and stuff so many times before, and now I finally get to see where they originated from. Although the scene was a little lengthy for just some potion concocting, I stilled enjoyed listening to all these random things the witches say. In fact this entire scene was pretty memoriable. I liked it
I. I agree with jotirmoykundu’s decision in agreeing with richteri: “I agree with richteri: “ Right at the start of scene 5 I have a question. We see Hecate come and say to the witches that she is mad that they went along to mess with Macbeth. My question is that is she mad that they were messing with him in the first place or that they were doing it without her? Both of these are pretty valid points too. She could just be mad they are getting involved in the affairs of common men for their own amusement. On the other hand she could be mad that she is missing out on the fun because the three witches did not let he know.” Hectate is really dumb and is shoohorned in there, so who cares I guess.
C. even though I like the scene, I kind of wonder why these witches have to give this 10 minute chant.
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Post by hessd16 on May 19, 2014 20:30:57 GMT -5
D. I found it interesting when the witches were talking about what they would eat. We definitely know that they will live forever because they get so much protein. It was amusing, but at the same time, it was disgusting.
C. (In reference to all of Act 3 Scene 6). Throughout this whole scene they question all of the deaths that have occurred because it is weird that all of these murders have just happened conveniently. They question it, but my question is if by the end of this scene, were they certain that Macbeth killed all those people because they mentioned Malcolm. Malcolm is certain that Macbeth killed them. So two questions, how Malcolm certain Macbeth did it and how are Lennox and the Lord certain.
E. I believe Macbeth has truly gone crazy, between him talking to himself in previous and his craziness over the witches prophecies. We can see this craziness in the following lines 47 and 48 of Act 4 scene 1: “How now, you secret, black, a midnight hags!/What is’t you do?” These lines show Macbeth’s desperateness, desire and ultimately his craziness over everything going on.
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Post by youssefj16 on May 28, 2014 18:27:58 GMT -5
E. I'm starting to believe that Macbeth is going to look at all these apparitions the wrong way. Obviously the witches are trying to tell Macbeth he is in danger. Why else would he show them the apparitions? I really think Macbeth should watch out because I feel as if these apparitions will somehow come true. I. I agree with richter's D response. Those scenes that were not written by Shakespeare should have been left out. Not only do they not have anything to do with the story, but I feel like they aren't written as good as Shakespeare. C. The only apparition i am pretty confused about is the one about how nobody who is born of women will not harm Macbeth. How is this possible? Will it be an animal who will kill Macbeth. He can't commit suicide because he's a human and was therefore born of a women. What will happen?
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Post by zaysofly on Jun 2, 2014 21:30:06 GMT -5
D: i really like this scene in the play because we get to see a perspective strictly from the point of the witches, and its like evil drama and jealousy. For example,in lines 6-9 in act 3 scene 5 hectare is talking to the first witch about their recent prophecies. " And i the mistress of your charms, the close contriver of all harms, was never calld to bear my part or show the glory of our art." Basically she is saying, how come you guys have been having all this fun, ruining peoples lives and future, and messing with the natural timeline, and no one sent me an e-vote. Its funny because Hectate is mad she didn't get in on all the evil witch craft that has been going on. It seems that people throughout Scotland have begin to catch on to Macbeth loosing his sanity and not being able to run the country. Also, we see the signs related to the theme of chain of being with the owls killing the eagles. This is a sign that something has disturbed the chain of being, and this is why the people are getting suspicous.
C: why would Thomas Middleton make such an awesome play into a cheesy musical. i think i took the witches way more seriously when they were just talking in iambic pentameter rather then when they started singing. Its just annoying.
F: If i were macbeth i would start to feel really anxious and worried. People are beginning to catch on to me.
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