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Post by Mr. Thomas on Nov 13, 2013 11:04:01 GMT -5
Bloodshed is nigh...
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Post by hankmichels on Nov 13, 2013 13:02:09 GMT -5
E. In one scene, towards the beginning of the book, Odysseus sees some of the maids going off to sleep with the suitors: “as the women slipped from the house, the maids who whored in the suitors’ beds each night, tittering, linking arms and frisking as before.” (lines 8-11). This is annoying as it is to the readers. I can only imagine how odysseus feels. This proves an observation that I made earlier when the maids were putting up torches in the halls. The maids are traitors. They are sleeping with the enemy. So I guess Odysseus has to kill the maids along with the suitors. But this scene also proves something else. These suitors don’t care about Penelope at all. They don’t want to fall in love with her. All they want is to be king of Ithaca. They could care less about what happens to Penelope. Heck, for all I know, they could just kill Penelope right after they get married and then rule Ithaca all on their own. I can see now why Odysseus wants to kill all the suitors.
D. “And Zeus in all his wisdom heard that prayer. He thundered at once, out of his clear blue heavens. High above in the clouds, and Odysseus’ spirit lifted” (Line 14-16). I rally like this line because it shows a great sign of hope. Before this, Odysseus asks Zeus if he was meant to come home and Zeus responds with the Thunder clap. It was so load and perfect that Odysseus knew it was a sign that meant: Yes. Also some non treacherous maid hears the clap and knows it is Zeus and she knows the suitors will die. I don’t know why that part was in there, but I guess it put emphasis on the importance of the thunder clap.
G. If I was Melanthios, I would stop being such a jerk. I must have something better to do with my life.
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Nov 13, 2013 18:57:26 GMT -5
Jackson Hill
C. Something that I am confused about is on page 415 in the last paragraph. The lines say, “They hung on her words and ran to do her bidding. Full twenty scurried off to the spring’s dark water, others bent to the housework, all good hands. Then in they trooped, the strutting serving-men, who split the firewood cleanly now as the women bustled in from the spring, the swineherd at their heels, driving three fat porkers, the best of all his herds. And leaving them to root, in the broad courtyard, up he went to Odysseus, hailed him warmly: ‘Friend, do the suitors show you more respect or treat you like the dregs of the earth as always?’” I do not really understand what these lines are saying. What point are they trying to get across?
D. Some lines that I like are on page 418 at the top of the page. The lines say, “Odysseus will come home while you’re still here. You’ll see with your own eyes, if you have heart, these suitors who lord it her cut down in blood.” The reason why I like these lines is because it shows that the people still have hope even though Odysseys has been gone for so long.
I. I agree with what Hank said in his G response. He should stop being such a jerk because it is going to come back to bite him someday.
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Post by richteri16 on Nov 13, 2013 20:21:41 GMT -5
C. I am confused on why Telemachus is throwing this huge party. Shouldn’t he be worrying about how he will remove all of the suitors? Maybe I missed something? Is it so that he could get them all drunk? Does he want them all off their guard before he attacks? I just think that time is running out and action needs to be taken. They should just do a big brazen attack and shock the suitors. I want to see how this unfolds.
E. In a way I am glad to see Odysseus not being able to fall asleep. He says he is very angry. He is mad at how the suitors are just off doing what ever to his house. I would not want a bunch of random guys in my house and messing it up. Mi casa es su casa is a nice phrase and all but this is too far. I am glad at how he still has his fire inside of him. He still wants blood. He still has the warrior mentality in him. He is looking and seething for the moment to kill. Now, when it does hit the fan Odysseus will be ready. He will have the rage in him to let him go all out.
I. I agree with what Jackson said on response D. All of these foreboding and looming prophesies are cool to hear. It is like they are telling the people of Ithaca to get ready.
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Post by hessd16 on Nov 13, 2013 20:37:13 GMT -5
(Dakota Hess) i.i agree with hankmichels on “E. In one scene, towards the beginning of the book, Odysseus sees some of the maids going off to sleep with the suitors: “as the women slipped from the house, the maids who whored in the suitors’ beds each night, tittering, linking arms and frisking as before.” (lines 8-11). This is annoying as it is to the readers. I can only imagine how odysseus feels. This proves an observation that I made earlier when the maids were putting up torches in the halls. The maids are traitors. They are sleeping with the enemy. So I guess Odysseus has to kill the maids along with the suitors. But this scene also proves something else. These suitors don’t care about Penelope at all. They don’t want to fall in love with her. All they want is to be king of Ithaca. They could care less about what happens to Penelope. Heck, for all I know, they could just kill Penelope right after they get married and then rule Ithaca all on their own. I can see now why Odysseus wants to kill all the suitors.” I had also thought in my head that the maids would soon enough end up sleeping with the suitors. c. I agree with richteri16 telemachus is confusing me. Why is he throwing this big party? He should be worrying further about the plan to kill the suitors. D. I felt that Book 20 was kind of a bore, some small info given almost can be said is gossip. |
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Nov 13, 2013 21:03:42 GMT -5
C. I'm confused by the party that telemachus is having. he should be thinking about how to get the suitors out. I might just have misunderstood something while reading. Maybe he is using the strategy that Odysseus used against the giant by them all drunk. D. I agree with hessd16 I thought it was boring as well. I. I agree with hankmichels on his point E. I could see how annoying it would be to have the maids be traitors to you. That is really frustrating, and while you read it you just think that they are so dumb. The quote is, “as the women slipped from the house, the maids who whored in the suitors’ beds each night, tittering, linking arms and frisking as before.” (lines 8-11). |
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Post by petergiglio on Nov 13, 2013 21:50:40 GMT -5
C. What im connfused about is to why telemachus is throwing this party when theyre are suitors that need to be killed. Like take care of business before you party man thats what the party is for. He has nothing to celebrate; his dad looks like an old beggar, his mom is psychologically drained and he has ruthless men living in his home. the only way i see this fit is for him to get them all really drunk have them knock out and kill them one by one that would be the smart thing to do and if he doesnt he is stupid.
G. If i were telemachus i would say the plan that i had in choice c. I would make all the suitors black out and kill them while they are unconscious with his father so they can return back to their somewhat normal life but lets face it thats not normal at all. If i were him i would use the skills my dad has taught me to be witty and mindful of opportunities and surroundings.
I. I agree with hank that melanthios has some karma that is gonna come his way pretty soon if he doesnt stop being a jerk plus its kind of bothering me to watch him say and do all these awful things
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Post by michaelgenco on Nov 13, 2013 22:02:37 GMT -5
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A quote that I thought was funny was “ Ctesippus, you can thank your lucky stars you missed our guest- he ducked your blow, by god!Else I would have planted my sharp spear in your bowels- your father would have been busy with your funeral, not your wedding here. Enough. Don’t let me see more offenses in my house, not from anyone! I’m alive to it all, now, the good and the bad- the boy you knew is gone. But I still must bear with this, this lovely sight.... sheepflocks butchered, wine swilled, food squandered- how can a man fight of so many single-handed? But no more of your crimes against me, please!” The first half of this quote I thought was extremely funny because Telemachus basically tells Ctesippus you’re a fail at life. The rest of the quote was interesting because we can see that Telemachus is growing up. He says if you mess with my friend then I am going to kill you which I think is interesting to see from him.
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“Still alive? Still hounding you cart yourself away? Get out! We’ll never part, I swear, till we taste each other’s fists. Riffraff, you and your begging make us sick! Get out- we’re hardly the only banquet on the island.” My response to this is just hatred towards Melanthius. Why does he have to be such a bully. The best part of this scene is Odysseus’ response: “ No reply. The wily one just shook his head, silent, his mind churning with thoughts of bloody work.” I love this because it seems to me Melanthius is the bully and Odysseus is the person being bullied, and later Melanthius will regret his decisions.
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I agree with Dakota, I thought that this book was boring.
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Post by Ray Park on Nov 13, 2013 22:58:39 GMT -5
D. I really enjoyed this book. I can sense the bloodshed and big massive fight that will soon occur between Odysseus and the suitors. The part that I especially liked was when Odysseus starts to contemplate whether or not he should kill the suitors while they were having sex. It was a really funny moment because Odysseus was on the floor trying to sleep but couldnt because of first his anger at the suitors and second the amount of noise the suitors were making. That was very entertaining.
C. What I dont understand is why penelope wants to die? After she hears the detailed description of the man she loves, she wants to die keeping this memory. I dont get that. I mean, if you finally remember him, shouldnt you take action and at least do something with that information? I also dont know why Odysseus wants to sleep on the floor constantly. It may be to just show how much of a beggar he is but its a little much. Also the party that occurs, what is the main purpose for that? Is there a secret attack that will happen in this feast?
I. I agree with Cocoves, i dont quite understand the party that Telemachus throws.
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Post by zaysofly on Nov 17, 2013 20:26:21 GMT -5
Isaiah colon
D: I don’t know about everyone else, but to me it seems like ever since Odysseus has gotten home, the Gods have got his back no, more than they ever did before. For example, when Penelope has given up all hope and prays to Artemis to end her life, Odysseus prays to Zeus and gives him a hand, get it HAND. Anyway, Zeus simply claps and it’s done with Penelope is happy with herself again, by the sounds of the suitors being yelled at. I also thought it was funny how there’s like two secrete organizations going on. The three main suitors, Eumaeus, Melanthius, and Philoetius are inconspicuously planning a plot to kill Telemachus, while Telemachus and Odysseus are inconspicuously planning a plot to kill not only those three suitors, but all of the suitors, and even they are starting to doubt whether or not they will be able to kill all of them.
C: Why is it that people keep constantly throwing things at Odysseus? And also, its never anything practical, you know, like making it a practical joke, its always something blatantly awkward, and oddly heavy, like a stool or a cows hoof. Like where are all the crumbled up balls of paper or even a stale piece of bread?
G If I were Odysseus I would be really ticked off. I don’t think I would be able to hold in my anger enough to wait until the perfect moment. I mean, ive got things constantly aimed towards my head.
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Post by jotirmoykundu on Nov 17, 2013 23:51:36 GMT -5
*late because model un conference*
C. What had me confused was on page 415 in the last paragraph. The lines say, “They hung on her words and ran to do her bidding. Full twenty scurried off to the spring’s dark water, others bent to the housework, all good hands. Then in they trooped, the strutting serving-men, who split the firewood cleanly now as the women bustled in from the spring, the swineherd at their heels, driving three fat porkers, the best of all his herds. And leaving them to root, in the broad courtyard, up he went to Odysseus, hailed him warmly: ‘Friend, do the suitors show you more respect or treat you like the dregs of the earth as always?’” What point are they trying to get across.
E. Im happy I see Odysseus is not being able to sleep. He claims to be mad. He is mad at how the suitors are just off doing whatever to his house. I would hate to see a bunch of random people come uninvited to my house messing things up. Hes angry and is looking to mark blood. He has the warrior mentality with in him. Hes trying to find a moment where he can kill them. Now, when it does hit the fan Odysseus will be ready by letting go of all of his anger.
I. I agree completely with what Jackson said in response D. These prophesies are really cool to hear. Its like they’re telling the people of Ithaca to get ready.
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Post by bakerm16 on Nov 18, 2013 23:29:24 GMT -5
C. One question I have is as to why Telemachus chooses to throw a party. From my guesses it could be for one of two reasons I thought of. The first reason I thought of was because he is an idiot and is just throwing a party because he just wants to get drunk and have a good. On the other hand I thought that he did this strategically and what he wanted to do was get the suitors drunk and devise a plan to kill them in their drunken state. If Telemachus' reason for the party is the odd plan I thought of I would respect his character so much more, but I know deep down he threw a party for foolish reasons.
D. One part of this book I liked was the part where the cowherd and Odysseus are talking. They are talking about if Odysseus will come back or not, but the cool part of this was that the cowherd was unaware he was talking to Odysseus while talking about Odysseus. “Odysseus will come home while you’re still here. You’ll see with your own eyes, if you have heart, these suitors who lord it her cut down in blood.” I liked this because it shows a lot about the character and personality of Odysseus . I like his confidence, bit not cockiness.
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