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Post by Mr. Thomas on Nov 8, 2013 12:36:08 GMT -5
The battle (slaughter?) is imminent...
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Post by hankmichels on Nov 8, 2013 12:50:10 GMT -5
E. I wonder what Penelope could possibly be thinking when Odysseus (the beggar in disguise) describes the Real life Odysseus perfectly. I mean, Odysseus says that he was with Odysseus and has news about him, but Penelope has heard this several times before so she asks for proof. Then The beggar does a perfect decription of what Odysseus looks like. Penelope had to have been suspecting something, right?. What person could describe Odysseus perfectly and not know more than he originally let on. If I were peneolpe I would probably assume he could have been one of Odysseus’s crew members or something. But this guy said he fought with odyssesus. That could mean two things. One he was either a very powerful warrior, and was close with odysseus, but that would probably mean he wouldn’t currently be a beggar. The other option is that he was some minor soldier, just another grunt, but thhen there would be no way that this guy would know that odysseus was coming home. So if I were in peneopes spot, I would probably be thinking that this guy either was odysseus. Or knows a whole lot about him.
C. Why is odysseus scared about a scar on his thigh? It says that “she must not see the scar on his thigh” but it was a foot wash, wasn’t it?
G. If I was one of the suitors, I would assume something was up, I mean, who would go around telling the women to lock themselves in their room?
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Post by zaysofly on Nov 9, 2013 20:31:36 GMT -5
D: I thought it was really funny how Odysseus and Telemachus had to lie to Eurycleia about them hiding the weapons of the suitors. It was like awkwardly stated and they were kind of caught in the act. Its like “Oh we are cleaning the mean suitors weapons” That’s how I interpreted it. I also sensed some situational irony when Odysseus, in disguise, meets Penelope and Penelope decides to question the Old man because he said he had seen Odysseus in his journey. Penelope asks the Old Man to describe Odysseus, and Odysseus tries his best to describe himself, with much confidence. Also, I thought it was pretty cool how Eurycleia recognized Odysseus when she was washing his feet. Odysseus had a scar on his foot from when he was hunting with his grandfather Autolycus. Also, did anyone catch the same dream with the eagle killing the geese, like the dream that Theoclymenus had?
C: Why did Eurycleia want to wash Odysseus’s feet? I thought that it was weird that Penelope offers him a bed and he like no, the floor is comfy, yet he would let this women wash his feet. I thought that was creepy, and with that, he almost blew the entire operation because she screamed with joy when she realized it was Odysseus.
G: If I were one of the suitors, I would be practicing my arrow skills. By the way, I think that this test requires nothing but luck. What does arrow skills have to do with being a good husband and leader? What if he is fat and ugly?
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Nov 10, 2013 13:29:21 GMT -5
Jackson Hill
C. One thing that I am confused about is why can’t anyone see the scar on Odysseus’ thigh. Will it show some sort of weakness or something? My first question leads to my second, why does he want her to wash his feet, why wash him at all? The scar thing is what mainly confuses me.
D. Lines that I especially like occur on page 400 in the bottom paragraph. They say, “Everything you say would come to pass! You’d soon know my affection, know my gifts. Any man you meet would call you blest. But my heart can sense the way it all will go. Odysseus, I tell you, is never coming back, nor will you ever gain your passage home, for we have no masters in our house like him at welcoming in or sending off an honored guest. Odysseus. There was no man, or was he all a dream? But come, women, wash the stranger and make his bed, with bedding, blankets and lustrous spreads to keep him warm till Dawn comes up and takes her golden throne. The reason why I like these lines is because we get to know a little more of what Penelope is about, and her character.
I. I agree with what zaysofly in what he said in his G response. Being a good leader has nothing to do with your arrow skills and the same thing with being a good husband.
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Nov 10, 2013 14:20:06 GMT -5
C. One thing that I was confused about is why Odysseus does not want anyone to see the scar on his thigh. I don't understand, whats the big deal about a scar. Its not like anyone is going to notice him if he is showing his scar right? It's just kind of odd. G. If I were a suitor, I would have thought something very suspicious was going on. If they are telling them to go inside and lock themselves in the room, you know something is about to go down. I. I agree with rozzayhill007 on his D response. I liked those lines too!
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Post by alis16 on Nov 11, 2013 16:51:28 GMT -5
Stephen Ali Mr. Thomas English 10 Homework November 11, 2013
E. My reaction is to the scene at the start of the book when Telemachus is removing the weapons of the suitors and Athena is helping them by providing them with light . I think since we know Athena is helping Odysseus still there is no telling what she will do when and if the suitors fight them both. It is also good to know that at least they stand I better chance of taking down the suitors now , because in my opinion I think Athena will help them greatly if they fight . The second think in this scene that I find funny is when one the suitors wakes up and he asked Telemachus what they were doing and he tells him that he is moving them to some place so they don’t get damaged . In my opinion like how stupid can you be , this just goes to show you how stupid the suitors actually are . G. If I was a suitor when I saw Telemachus and Odysseus interfering with the weapons I would have told someone to keep a close eye on them or just tell them to leave the weapons where they are. C. Why does Odysseus so worried about the scare on his foot how is a servant going to recognize him if she has never see him before. Also if Odysseus was so worried in the first place why did he even agree to the foot wash in the first place.
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Post by idelfonsoe16 on Nov 11, 2013 17:04:09 GMT -5
C. How come Penelope doesn’t get a bit suspicious on Odysseus the beggar? If I were to hear a dead on description (and a little exaggeration) about one of my friends or family, I would know that the person telling me is the person they are talking about. Come on! There is no point in listening to an accurate story if you don’t take any suspicions! I’m very surprised that she didn’t think that the beggar killed Odysseus, or accompanied him on his journey in Troy and post-Troy. G. If I were Odysseus, I would tell my wife that I am in a disguise because I can trust that she won’t say anything to the suitors! Why waste time describing myself if I am there in person! It makes perfect sense to say it now, or never! I think it would be bad in a sense because Penelope could slip a drop that Odysseus is present, but that’s not likely. I. I agree with zaysofly, arrow skills cannot determine how good of a husband you are. A perfect example: Penelope asks her new husband to cook. His response? “I can only shoot arrows.” Then what? Just because you’re the past Hawkeye doesn’t mean you can be a great husband for a woman. Maybe if you live in a deserted town where cannibals reign the land, then yes that’s good. Other than that, there’s no point in hosting an arrow competition! I think that it would be a complete waste of time and letdown.
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Post by richteri16 on Nov 11, 2013 19:21:10 GMT -5
C. I am really confused on why Odysseus the beggar is still hanging around. I know he has to be there to figure things out and all. Yet, why is he just hanging around? It is like some hobo said hi to you on the street and he suddenly moves in with you. A little bizarre maybe? Why haven the suitors gotten rid of him. Why hasn’t Penelope been creeped out completely. I think it is just a matter of time.
D. I really liked lines 70-104. Apparently these maids can’t get enough of yelling at Odysseus. This time the main Melantho tells him that he should get out. He is a pest and smells bad. The Odysseus goes back and says what is wrong with you. Why are you all angry with me for being poor? The best part is when Penelope comes in with the real hit. She calls her a bitch and says she has no shame. She will pay with h life for what she said. I think Penelope was right. This guy is coming with news on Odysseus and she wants to hear. Don’t be interrupting!
E. I almost died when the nurse sees the scar. She almost looses it. LOOK ITS ODYSSEUS EVERYONE! Then Odysseus grabs her by the throat and tells her to shut up. That was badass. She could have really blown the whole cover though. She should have known what was up. He was clearly hiding his identity from Penelope.
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Post by petergiglio on Nov 11, 2013 21:59:55 GMT -5
C. What really confuses me is why Homer is still sticking around with Odysseus being a beggar. I mean don't you think its about time that he shows his true colors plus i am beginning to become a little impatient again. This part just like others I feel get dragged on for a little too long and really miss their climax. Plus this part is a little wacky to me because Odysseus just moved in and suitors havent given him the boot yet which is very unlike them. and plus Penelope is just chillen not really caring or even a little suspicious at all but i think it will all unravel soon and if it doesnt im gonna be mad.
G. If i were Odysseus i would just want to kill the suitors and be myself again cause if anyone is impatient here it should be him i mean his life has been thrown out of wack for the past 20 years and he is just taking his time in attacking which is odd because this type of Odysseus and his plan shows that he is plotting soemthing but its being over thought out. if i were him i would just get comfortable.
I. i agree with jackson. why is he so nervous about his scar i mean its not really a sign of weakness and it is never explained this all just seems a bit peculiar to me.
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Post by Ray Park on Nov 11, 2013 22:14:30 GMT -5
D. I really enjoyed the fact that Odysseus and Telemachus got caught in the act of concealing the weapons for their fight. I was like a small comedic act to which entertained me very much. I also like that Eurycleia found out that the old beggar was actually Odysseus. She threw her arms around him and screamed in joy that he has returned. I like this because now she has confidence that the suitors will pay for the acts they have committed.
C. What was a little confusing for me was the dream that Penelope describes about an eagle killing and slaughtering 20 geese. What did that exactly mean? What does it symbolize? Is this the same dream as the omen that Telemachus saw when he first landed on Ithaca? Also when Penelope hears a description, from the old beggar Odysseus, about Odyesseus shouldnt she be at least a little suspicious on how that beggar knew so much about him? I mean if I were to see someone describe my closest friend in extreme detail, I would question where he or she got this information from or how he or she knew about those details.
I. I agree with Eric Ildenfonso on his C comment with the suspicions of the old beggar.
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Post by michaelgenco on Nov 11, 2013 23:02:14 GMT -5
C. I am very confused why Penelope would question the ‘Stranger’. She has been going with all of these suitors allowing them to live and come to her house, but when this ‘stranger’ comes she becomes so worried. Later in the book Penelope offers him a bed to sleep. Why would she be so gullible? She was just so worried that this guy was another suitor, and now she is allowing him to sleep. Maybe this ‘Stranger” was also one of the suitors. Why would Penelope still marry someone if she knows that Odysseus is coming? She has been waiting so long for him and now that he is coming she is giving up on him. It makes no sense.
D. A Quote that I enjoyed was: ‘But come, handmaidens, give him a wash and spread a couch for him here, with bedding and coverlets and with shining blankets, so that he can keep warm as he waits for dawn of the golden throne, and early tomorrow you shall give him a bath, anoint him, so that he can sit in the hall beside Telemachos and expect to dine there; and it will be the worse for any of those men who inflicts heart-wasting annoyance on him; he will accomplish nothing here for all his terrible spite.’ I enjoyed this quote because it shows you how caring and nice Penelope is. Offering a stranger a place to stay and to give him a bathe is very nice.
I. I agree with hankmichaels in his E section because Odysseus is perfectly describing himself and maybe Penelope realizes that.
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Post by vazquezm16 on Nov 12, 2013 8:56:41 GMT -5
C. I was confused as to why Odysseus would get so defensive about the scar on his leg. I realize that the nurse could blow his cover as a beggar but that is no reason to immediately threaten to kill her. I think Odysseus’ response was appropriate but he could have been a little nicer to the nurse considering that she was one of the few people in the household who still respected him. He eventually does convince her to not reveal that it is him but I think he could have been a little less harsh about it.
D. I really liked the quote where Odysseus is talking to Penelope, giving his interpretation of the dream she had about the geese. “Dear woman, twist it however you like, your dream can only mean one thing. Odysseus told you himself–he’ll make it come to pass. Destruction is clear for each and every suitor.” I think this is a good quote because it shows Odysseus is still committed to his original plan and nothing will get in his way. I think this quote is weird because Penelope cries for the geese that represent the suitors. Does this mean that Penelope has started to feel sorry for the suitors? I find it a little odd how Penelope says to never give up, but as soon as Odysseus actually does show up she is always rejecting the idea of him ever coming back.
I. I agree with michaelgenco’s response for C. Penelope has had all these suitors in her house for years and never questions them but as soon as this homeless man shows up she wants to ask him a ton of questions. She also offers him a bed. I think this is pretty weir considering that this beggar has been around for only a few days that you would invite him into your household without actually knowing anything about him. He could have been lying about himself the whole time.
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Post by mikeloseto on Nov 13, 2013 14:50:40 GMT -5
C. Like what Michael said, Odysseus' threat of murder to the nurse was a bit far. I mean, I understand his concern of his cover being blown but seriously? A death threat? Odysseus has every right to be upset that the nurse almost gave away his identity by pointing out the scar on his leg but I think Odysseus needs to calm down. It is very possible that he could've been nicer about it but I guess that's not the way Odysseus is. I guess he's the kind of guy that needs to make psychotic remarks and malicious threats to get his point across. The whole scene was a very questionable in every way imaginable.
G. It seems that we always resort back to the suitors when talking about Odysseus. Like I said in many of my previous posts, if I were Odysseus, I would just kill all of the suitors! They are more of hindrance than they are helpful. They only cause problems for Odysseus and I don't see why he would constantly put up with their non sense. Odysseus is a strong, powerful being but he doesn't seem to take advantage of his abilities when it comes to the suitors. He's delaying too much in his decision to attack them and if I were him, I wouldn't have delayed as long as he did.
I. I agree with Eric's response to letter C about the beggar and the suspicions surrounding him.
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Post by bakerm16 on Nov 13, 2013 19:09:08 GMT -5
C. I was confused about why Odysseus was so serious about the scar. I understand that the scar is something specific about him that he is recognized by and that he doesn't want his cover to be blown, but I do not feel he should have lashed out on the nurse like that. Saying he would kill the nurse if she gives up his identity as a beggar is very harsh. I do not think he should have reacted like that i do not feel it is that serious. Overall Odysseus needs to settle down.
E. Another question I have is why does Penelope feel suspicious a out the stranger. First of all there are suitors going in and out of her house everyday and she says nothing about it, but when there is a stranger she feels suspicious about it. Why? That literally makes no sense to me. The part that throws me off even more is when she offers him a bed to sleep in. That makes total sense right? You feel suspicious about the man so you offer him a bed. Ok Penelope, ok.
G. If I were Odysseus I would feel super nervous about the scar because the nurse noticed it and almost gave up my identity.
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Post by jotirmoykundu on Nov 17, 2013 23:24:33 GMT -5
*late because model un conference*
C: What I didn’t understand was Eurycleia wanted to wash Odysseus’s feet? It also left me in confusion when Penelope offers his a soft bed and he rather sleep on the floor. If you ask me, its pretty creepy, and with that, he almost blew the operation when she screams realizing its Oddyseus.
D. What I liked in this part of the books is the fact that Odysseus and Telemachus get caught trying to hide there weapons. This had very comedic elements to it which I liked a lot. I was also happy when the girl realized who Odysseus was because this gave herself empowerment and feels the suitors will finally pay for what they do.
E. I don’t understand what could’ve possibly gone through Penelope’s mind when she was describing Oddyseus to the beggar. The beggar does a perfect decription of what Odysseus looks like. Penelope had to have been suspicious. If I were peneolpe, I would of guessed a close crew member of some sort. This guy claimed to have fought with Odysseus. That has two meanings. This could be a very powerful warrior, who fought with Odysseus, but then in retrospect, he wouldn’t be a beggar. The other option would be some ordinary soldier or just another grunt, but then there would be no way that this guy knew Odysseus was coming home. So in either Case, Penelop should have an idea of who this is and 2 options for this: this could be Oddyseus or someone who knows him way too well.
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