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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 22, 2013 13:57:28 GMT -5
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Post by johnaviles on Oct 22, 2013 15:45:20 GMT -5
C. I was confused with the fact that Penelope is deciding now that she might consider marrying someone else. She can wait 20 years but of course now she might decide to have a new partner, it doesn’t make that much sense to wait that long and then just give up. Also I was confused as to why she waits until Telamachus goes to look for his father Odysseus to think about remarrying and make a decision on who to be with.
D. “But you-you make your way to the swineherd first, in charge of your pigs, and true to you as always. Sleep the night there, send him to town at once to tell the news of your mother, wise Penelope-you’ve made it back from Pylos safe and sound.” I really enjoyed this line because Telemachus is going to the swineherd’s house where Odysseus is staying and this got me excited because I thought of the expression, “Like father like son” and thought that maybe Telemachus is somehow see through Odysseus’ disguise and be reunited at last.
E. I was astonished to read how Helen becomes the warlord’s prophet and interprets the incident as an omen that Odysseus will soon swoop down on his own home and show revenge on the suitors trying to take his wife, gifts, and palace. I especially felt this way because before I even read Helen’s interpretation I was thinking the same think. “Just as the eagle swooped down from the crags, just as it snatched the goose fattened up for the kill inside the house, Odysseus will descend on his house and take revenge-”
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Post by hankmichels on Oct 22, 2013 16:43:23 GMT -5
C. Why does Athena tell Telemachus that Penelope is going to marry one of the suitors? I feel like its not necessary to make up a story to get Telemachus to come home. He seems pretty devoted to his mom and home so I think Athena could just tell the truth and then Telemechus could come home. She didn’t even have to tell him that Odysseus was there. All she had to say was that something big was going down and hed probably head for home right away. But now that she lied, he’ll get home and be pretty upset when he finds out it was all a hoax.
E. I feel like Helen is kind of dumb. She seems nice and all but she seems kind of dull and dizzy. When telemechus leaves she is pretty kind t him. she gives him gifts and stuff, among which is a dress for his future wife. I don’t know about you but to me it seems kind of a strange gift. Especially if Telemachus isn’t even seeing anyone. Then at the end, an eagle flies overhead carrying some dead bird. She interprets that as odysseus coming home and ridding the house of his pests. Even though that is true, it seems kind of silly and random to see some prophecy on a bird.
H. The room is dimly lit with moonlight from the single window. Telemachus lies in his small bed, sleeping. Athena is slowly climbing into the room to warn him.
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Post by petergiglio on Oct 22, 2013 17:51:49 GMT -5
C. This really boggles my mind to see that Penelope is considering remarrying. Like really, NOW you're gonna consider on remarrying after waiting 20 years for your husband that was at war and wandered the world trying to make his way back you, his son and his home town. PLUS Telemachus is going out to look for his father which is weird because he doesn't know what he looks like really and what happens if he finds him and your're remarried to a sudor. If you ask me, if that happens there is gonna be a bad scene with Odysseus.
E. Is it me or does Helen seem to be like a blond to me. Like she doesnt have great people skills and she kind of acts awkward with Telemachus and gives him pretty awkward gifts. She doesnt seem like the most intelligent person and also not the most savy but putting all that aside she is pretty nice.
I. I agree with john that a disguise can't hide true father and son instincts or feelings like when odysseus sees his son that he is going to know that its him
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Post by richteri16 on Oct 22, 2013 19:10:27 GMT -5
D. I enjoyed lines 50-61. Here Telemachus has just herd news from Athena that he should go home to await the return of his father and take care of his house and possessions from the suitors. After Athena tells him this he proceeds to wake up Pisistratus by kicking him in the ribs. (Not the greatest way to wake up). Then he says that he needs to get home. He says to get the team for the chariot ready. Pisistratus responds by telling him it is the middle of the night and they can’t just assemble a team at that hour. He says to wail until morning. The reason I like this is because this helps reaffirm the situation that Telemachus faces as well as the emotions he feels. He is worried about his home and mother. He is concerned about all the suitors. Not only that but he also is desperate to find his father. E. Lines 102-170 give me a good idea about Menelaus and his family. They seem like the kind of people who always treat their guests well. When Telemachus says that he can’t stay for a feast and that he must be home quickly Menelaus quickly throws one together for him. This is like the kind of nice people who always insist that you eat something when you come to their house. Then him and his family then get gifts from their own possessions and give them to Telemachus. Even when he is walking out the door Menelaus follows him out and calls out good-bye to him. They just seem like really nice and welcoming people. I. I agree with johnaviles on question C. Why is Penelope waiting so long to get married. She has had 20 years to do it. She is in for the long haul now so she might as well wait it out now. |
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Post by bakerm16 on Oct 22, 2013 19:37:29 GMT -5
C. I really do not like Athena in this part of the story. She has been helping Odysseus on his journey and that is good, but this time she should not have butted into his business. The scene that i am talking about is when Athena tells Telemachus that Penelope is going to marry one of the thirsty suitors that wants to marry Penelope. of course this upsets Telemachus. The part that is even worse is that when she told Telemachus of this he was away from home. So, having travel all the way hime to try to convince Penelope not to marry a suitor that she wasn't even considering must have been very annoying for him.
G. If I were Telemachus in this scene I would be angry and confused for may reasons. First off I would be angry because I was lied to. Athena lied to Telemachus saying that his mother is going to marry a suitor. I would also be mad because after hearing this news I travel all the way back home to stop her from making and dumb decisions just to rind out that this was all false. i would then become confused because this lie from Athena came out of the blue. Why would she say that to him? Why is she even talking to him? What is very annoying about Athena is your never know her motives for anything that she does.
A. This part of the story is important to the rest of the story because this is the first time Odysseus, Telemachus, and Penelope are in Ithaca.
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Post by zaysofly on Oct 22, 2013 19:42:12 GMT -5
C: I have been questioning myself this for a while now and I don’t know why I haven’t brought it up. Why hasn’t Telemachus killed the oppressing suitors in the first place? I mean if a whole bunch of men were trying to marry my mom, while I still had faith that my father was still alive during his journey defending the country, suitors would be getting “Shanked” to be frank. Why is it that Athena had to warn Telemachus that he had to get home to ensure that the suitors don’t marry his own mom? Telemachus has got to be around 20 something now right? I’m pretty sure he can handle his own, and should know what’s right for his mom and his country while Odysseus is gone. Also, in this book an eagle swoops down with a stolen egg and Helen interprets it to be an omen that Odysseus will come back and kill the suitors. I think I remember Helen interpreting another omen like this or maybe it was a dream? If anyone knows of another situation where she foretells a dream, please respond to me.
D: I have a prediction that when Telemachus lets Theoclymenous on the Ship with him, it will result badly. I think so because Theoclmenous is a priest who had just committed a crime and is now on the run. I think his ship might get attacked, or there might be some other trouble along the way.
G: If I were Telemachus I would strap on my big boy pants and clear out those suitors myself.
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Post by alis16 on Oct 22, 2013 20:16:21 GMT -5
Stephen Ali
Mr. Thomas
English 10 Homework
October 22, 2013
C. I was not really sure why after 20 years of Odysseus being away, now Penelope decides I will be a good idea to get married to someone else. I find this stupid, because if you wanted to get married why didn’t you do that 15 years ago when you were young and had plenty of life left in you. Did Penelope just realize to think maybe Odysseus is not coming back home and maybe things have took a turn for the worst. Little did she know the man that left 20 years ago was not too far away undetected in the hut of his loyal servant.
G. If I was Thelomacus when Athena came to Sparta and gave the news to head back home to Ithaca and to make Penelope change her ways of marrying the suitors. Only if they knew that Odysseus would be home very soon. If Penelope decides to marry a suitor this would cause major conflict and disorder within Ithaca making it very hard for many things to go on. This would also make Odysseus to late to the party not allowing him to come back and go back to how things were before he left. If they were to get married it would ruin everything for Odysseus.
E. My reaction is to the scene when Athena comes to Thelemacus and tells him to go back home to stop Penelope from getting married to the suitor. I think Athena has done enough in the story and she has had a part in every major scene, I think she should just let thinks happen and not inter with the lives of the humans.
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Post by michaelgenco on Oct 22, 2013 20:16:49 GMT -5
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I was confused with the first line when Homer says Telemachus is in Lacedaemon. Where is Lacedamemon? Is it far from Ithica, and if it is far why would Telemachus go there. Another thing that confused me was when Athen was talking to Telemachus and said you must leave right away, even if it is night or day. Telemachus completely ignores this and follows what his host says to do, which is to stay the night and wait for tomorrow morning. I was confused with the part of the book the people give Telemachus all of the elegant and expensive gifts. For example, “I wove it with my hands for your own bride to wear when the blissful day of marriage dawns.” Why would someone make something for your future wife? That’s just extremely creepy and weird to do.
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One quote that I thought was very interesting was this: “Son of Nestor, won’t you do as I ask you, see it through? We’re friends for all our days now, so we claim, thanks to our fathers’ friendship. We’re the same age as well and this tour has made us more like brothers. Prince, don’t drive me past my vessel, drop me there. You father’s old, in love with his hospitality; I fear he’ll hold me, chafing in his palace- I must hurry home.” This quote shows how much Telemachus is like his father, Odysseus, because it shows that Telemachus is good with speaking or convincing someone to do something he wants.
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I agree with hankmichaels that I think helen is dumb and kind of dull.
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Post by Ray Park on Oct 22, 2013 20:20:15 GMT -5
C. I liked this book very much. The story seems to slowly erge into and even greater story that I can't wait for. Athena tells Telemachus to hurry and go home. But what she does is that she tells him that his mother's hand of marriage has been taken by the suitors. This then made Telemachus want to hurry and head home. But what was confusing was the Omen of the eagle with the goose in its claws. The omen was to show Odysseus's return of revenge of the suitors. Where does this omen come from. Who has sent this omen? If Athena has sent this Omen, what was it supposed to do for Telemachus. Also when Telemachus started to leave back home from Ithaca, Melenaous and Helen give him gifts. Do they like Telemachus as their son, even though he isnt their son?
D. I really like the part when Telemachus arrives on the shore of Ithaca and the Omen of Odysseus's bloodline strength comes up as a hawk and dove. I really enjoy this scene because it shows the true peacefulness of the family and the end result of what will become and what may become. Having a great big hawk flying and protecting a small dove next to it almost shows the exact relationship the father and son have for each other, even though Telemachus thinks that his father is dead.
I. I agree with Isaiah. I believe that if I were Telemachus I would go straight to the Suitors and kill them for the amount of torture and misery they have caused.
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Post by mikeloseto on Oct 22, 2013 21:35:40 GMT -5
I. I agree with what johnaviles was saying about Penelope's decision to get married. She had such a long time to make a decision but never made it. It seemed pretty odd to me.
C. Similar to what Isaiah wrote, I also didn't understand why Telemachus didn't deal with the suitors before the situation got real. If multiple were trying to do that to anyone in my family, things would escalate really quickly. Also, I feel that Telemachus was acting childish when he needed Athena to come to him and tell him that he needed to go protect his mother. I mean, that is already expected of him but he needed someone to tell him and "hold his hand" through it all. Telemachus was old enough to handle himself so there is no excused for him not jumping in right away. The only reason I would think that he had for not doing something immediately was that he didn't know the true extent of the danger his mother was in but even then, I don't think that was the case. He was wrong for being so lazy and unhelpful.
G. If I were Telemachus, I would be kicking myself for my delayed decision to help my mother. If it were me, I would be in there before anything even started. You don't let anyone screw with your family even if it means you have to assert yourself as a domineering and aggressive person. You need to let people know not to mess with you or your family. Telemachus didn't do that in this situation.
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Post by jotirmoykundu on Oct 27, 2013 15:25:00 GMT -5
C. In this section of the book, i dont understand why Athena tells Telemachus that Penelope is going to marry one of the suitors? I dont think this was dire to tell Telemachus to get him to come home. He seems to have a very strong connection with his mom so Athena could've told the truth and he would've came reguardless. It was also unnecessary to mention Odysseus' presence. She just had to say that something big is going on and he would've came.
D. I really like the part when Telemachus arrives at Ithaca and the Omen of Odysseus's bloodline strength comes up rising. This is my favorite seen because it shows the serenity of a family and what will and can happen.
E. I believe that Helen isnt the brightest. She gives off a nice vibe, but is pretty dull. When Telemechus leaves she is pretty kind to him. She gives him all sorts of gifts and presents such as a dree for his wife. Its a pretty weird gift if you ask me. At the end of the reading, an eagle flies overhead carrying a dead bird. This is interpreted as Oddyseus finally reaching home. Now that she lied, he’ll get home and be mad when he finds out it was all just a trick.
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Post by Cameron Smith on Nov 7, 2013 21:26:14 GMT -5
C. I really don’t like Athena in this part of the story. She has been helping Odysseus on his journey home, but this time she shouldn’t have intruded into his business. The scene that I am talking about is: Athena tells Telemachus that Penelope is going to marry one of the thirsty suitors that want to marry her. This obviously upsets Telemachus. The part that is even worse is that when she told Telemachus this he was away from home. So, having to rushl all the way home to try to convince Penelope not to marry a suitor that she wasn't even considering must have been very annoying for him.
E. Lines 102-170 gave me a good idea about Menelaus and his family. They seem like the kind of people who always treat their guests well. When Telemachus says that he can’t stay for a feast and that he must be home quickly, Menelaus quickly throws one together for him. This is the kind of person who always insists that you eat something when you come over. Then his family and him then get gifts from their own possessions and then give them to Telemachus. Even when he is walking out the door Menelaus follows him out and calls out good-bye to him. They seem overly nice and welcoming people although this is defiantly better than the Cyclops or Cierce.
I. I agree with hankmichaels that I think Helen seems not well educated and kind of dull.
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Post by hessd16 on Nov 29, 2013 17:26:43 GMT -5
i. i agree with Isaiah “C: I have been questioning myself this for a while now and I don’t know why I haven’t brought it up. Why hasn’t Telemachus killed the oppressing suitors in the first place? I mean if a whole bunch of men were trying to marry my mom, while I still had faith that my father was still alive during his journey defending the country, suitors would be getting “Shanked” to be frank. Why is it that Athena had to warn Telemachus that he had to get home to ensure that the suitors don’t marry his own mom? Telemachus has got to be around 20 something now right? I’m pretty sure he can handle his own, and should know what’s right for his mom and his country while Odysseus is gone. Also, in this book an eagle swoops down with a stolen egg and Helen interprets it to be an omen that Odysseus will come back and kill the suitors. I think I remember Helen interpreting another omen like this or maybe it was a dream? If anyone knows of another situation where she foretells a dream, please respond to me.”
G. If I were Telemachus, I would be kicking myself for my delayed decision to help my mother. If it were me, I would be in there before anything even started. You don't let anyone screw with your family even if it means you have to assert yourself as a domineering and aggressive person. You need to let people know not to mess with you or your family. Telemachus didn't do that in this situation.
E. I believe that Helen isnt the brightest. She gives off a nice vibe, but is pretty dull. When Telemechus leaves she is pretty kind to him. She gives him all sorts of gifts and presents such as a dree for his wife. Its a pretty weird gift if you ask me. At the end of the reading, an eagle flies overhead carrying a dead bird. This is interpreted as Oddyseus finally reaching home. Now that she lied, he’ll get home and be mad when he finds out it was all just a trick.
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