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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 7, 2013 8:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by hankmichels on Oct 7, 2013 14:56:11 GMT -5
I. I agree with what some one said in class today about the wind thing. At the beginning of the odyssey it is said that odyyseus will see his home again. When the winds blow him to ithica he can see his homeland in the distance. Then all of a sudden he is blown far away, back to where he started. The texts clearly states that he saw ithica, so that could count. Now he could never get to Ithaca because he has already seen it.
C. Why does odysseus stay with circe. I feel like there is absolutely no point in that. I know that he agrees to stay with her so he can turn his men back. But then he could just leave. “and there we sat at ease, day in, day out, till a year had run its course” (Lines 515-14). That’s crazy. There is no reason he should stay that long. If he so desperately wants to go home, then why doesn’t he? He should have just left before it became too hard to leave. If odysseus is willing to slaughter an innocent town for fun, then he could break a promise for necessity.
B. As whole, I fell like this readings only purpose is to add a bit of variety and adventure, same with the rest of books nine. There is nothing important enough about circes island that makes it feel necessary to the story. In fact when you look at the odyssey as a whole, it does seem very episodic.
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Oct 7, 2013 17:34:59 GMT -5
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I. I agree with what was said in class today about the whole winds in the bag thing. It reminded me of The Sponge bob Movie and how it was an adventure to get back to bikini bottom like Odysseus is faced with while trying to get back to Ithaca. Sponge bob and Patrick are faced with difficult challenges and obstacles just like Odysseus is faced with when he is on the island and when he encounters the Cyclopes. All characters somehow elude their obstacles and are able to make it back home, but Odysseus unfortunately does not land on his home land, but is able to see it from a distance.
C. One thing that I am unsure about happens on page 239 around line 320. It’s when Odysseus runs into Hermes while going to the palace of Circe, “Let me tell you of the witch’s craft … She’ll mix you a potion, lace the brew with drugs but she’ll be powerless to bewitch you, even so—this magic herb I give will fight her spells. Now here’s your plan of action, step by step. The moment Circe strikes with her long thin wand, you draw your sharp sword sheathed at your hip and rush her fast as if to run her through.” The thing that I am confused about is why is Hermes telling Odysseus Circe’s plan. Is Hermes not on Circe’s side or is he? Is there a reason why he is helping Odysseus at this point?
D. A line that I liked was, “ So I pressed and the lustrous goddess answered me in turn: ‘Royal son of Laertes, Odysseus, old campaigner, stay no more in my house against your will.” The reason why I like this is because it goes kind of against what Hermes was saying about her being scared of him. Also it is kind of the opposite situation from when he was held captive on the island, because now he has the choice of leaving, but on the island he had no choice.
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Post by bakerm16 on Oct 7, 2013 18:04:45 GMT -5
C. One question I have is why Circe tries to attempt to seduce Odysseus. "Come, sheathe your sword, let's go to bed together, mount my bed and mix in the magic work of love-- we'll breed deep trust between us.'" By this point of the book Circe realizes that Hermes gave Odysseus the potent drug that masks him from Circe's harm. Circe also knows that Odysseus is smart enough to see right through her knowing she is trying something funny with him. Odysseus quickly calls her out on this telling her that he obviously can not trust her after she turned much of Odysseus' men into swine.
D. A part of this passage I found interesting was the dialogue between Hermes and Odysseus. "But wait I can save you, free you from the great danger. Look, here is a potent drug. Take it to Circe's halls--its power alone will shield you from the fatal day. Let me tell you of all the witch's subtle craft... this magic herb I give will fight her spells." This is interesting because we don't really know what the reason for Hermes' loyalty and kindness towards Odysseus is.
G. I like Circe's character in this last section of the book. I like her because he finally set Odysseus men free by turning them not just back to humans but to their ideal human form. This is a very heart warming section of the book because Odysseus is finally reunited with his men. They cry of joy to see each other back as humans. Again Odysseus thanks Circe for what she has done but Circe gives Odysseus another mission. She tells him that he has to go to the House of Death and consult the ghost of Tiresias.
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Post by johnaviles on Oct 7, 2013 18:24:16 GMT -5
C. I was confused as to why Circe makes Odysseus go on another journey to the House of Death before being able to try to journey home. It makes no sense to me, Odysseus stays at Circe’s house for over a year so why does he have to do her another favor. “Royal son of Laertes, Odysseus, old campaigner, stay on no more in my house against your will. But first another journey calls. You must travel down to the House of Death…”
E. I really enjoyed the scene where Circe’s potion doesn’t work on Odysseus because thi eventually leads to the freedom of his crew mates. Odysseus follows exactly what Hermes tells him to do which is why he succeeds and makes sure she promises to not plot any evil against them again. “But I, I drew my sharp sword sheathed at my hip and rushed her fast as if to run her through- she screamed, slid under my blade, hugged my knees…” “Not until you consent to swear, goddess, a binding oath you’ll never plot some new intrigue to harm me!”
F. Ever since Eurylochus went with his instincts to not go to Circe’s house because he felt it was a trap, I feel his and Odysseus’ relationship has changed. To me, Eurylochus feels more empowered because he was right for once and almost like he doesn’t have to listen to Odysseus all the time.
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Post by mikeloseto on Oct 7, 2013 18:27:26 GMT -5
I. I agree with what was said in class today about the story of the bag of wind. It is kind of funny how Odysseus was told prior to his journey that he will see his homeland of Ithaca and then reading about the span of events that occurred. Technically, Odysseus did see Ithaca, but didn't set foot on it because of his crew's mutiny against him. It seemed as if someone was playing mind games with him. He's now not able to go back to Ithaca because he saw it.
C. A part that I didn't really understand was when Odysseus and Hermes meet on the way to the Palace of Circe. Hermes begins to tell Odysseus Circe's plan to "bewitch" him. Similar to what Jackson asked, is Hermes on Circe's side or not? Does Hermes have some beef with Circe that we are unaware of? If so, why does Hermes have beef with Circe?
B. These different books are basically just variations of the previous one. Sometimes, they seem kind of repetitive. There story line stays the same with a few new characters and situations here and there. Usually, there is some new problem that Odysseus has whether it be with the gods or with other people in the story. It always seems that everyone is out to get him.
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Post by zaysofly on Oct 7, 2013 18:29:02 GMT -5
C: Why is the drug used to protect Odysseus called molly? I thought it was ironic because there is a modern day drug called molly which instead of protecting you has some negative effects. Also, why did Odysseus become a lover with Circe after she turned his men into pigs and tried to kill Odysseus? Also, does Odysseus give a remorse speech like he does to all his dead soldiers to the boy who broke his neck?
D: I thought it was hilarious that the youngest man in Odysseus crew got drunk on the day they were going to leave and he broke his neck. Also, I’m pretty sure Odysseus gives one of his “no man is left behind speeches” again. I was unsure if I read it right but I was pretty sure he gave some remorse of a speech towards the boy who died in vain.
G: If I were Odysseus, I would not have “gone out” with Circe. I don’t know why he did but that seems weird. It reminds me of when he decides to be nice to Calypso after she had made him have a relationship with her against his will and help him captive for 7 years. Also, when he is journeying home for many years, and he gets to an island with Naussica and decides he will have a relationship with her. I mean for a person who wants to get home to his wife, he really wants to get down.
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Post by richteri16 on Oct 7, 2013 20:11:05 GMT -5
F. I have noticed as I read through the story how close Odysseus and his crew are. Whenever something bad happens they weep and mourn together. When something good happens they celebrate together. This is a good touch by Homer. It helps the reader get the idea that these guys are brothers in arms. They are just like modern warriors who form close bonds with their comrades. I feel like this helps make the characters more relatable.
C. Line 515 was a real shock to me. Apparently Odysseus and his men had been hanging out at Circe’s house for a YEAR. Forget the whole plan for going home lets just chill here. Then one day one of Odysseus’s men just comes up like its nothing as says that he is getting bore and feels like going home. What’s up with that? Its like they have no cared about the whole mission that they are on. Is the whole year an exaggeration? I am very confused.
E. When Odysseus is waking up his crew to finally leave Circe’s home on line 602 something…strange happens. Apparently the youngest shipmate named Elpenor wanted to get some fresh air the night before. Well he was also drunk. So he decides it’s a good idea to sleep on the roof. So when Odysseus is waking everyone up he gets so excited that he forgets to use the ladder. So he jumps off the roof. He ends up breaking his neck and dying. Isn’t that just great?
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Post by hessd16 on Oct 7, 2013 20:25:20 GMT -5
(DAkota Hess) I.I agree with richteri16 on how close Odysseus and his crew are. Even though some of his crew had turned mutinous and all the waiting and hardship Odysseus puts them through they will always be as tight as a family. Odysseus tries his best to save his crew members whenever he can. C. I was so shocked as well to read that they had been with Circe for a year! Why had they stayed so long? Was Odysseus under Circe’s somewhat charm? Even though Hermes saved Odysseus from becoming a swine he did not save him from the time wasted at Circe’s great house. Also, Odysseus slept with all these women on his trip, even Goddesses and still has the courage and dignity to go back to his wife? Odysseus is a very honorable and trustworthy man in all other aspects other than staying true to his wife. Will he tell his wife about his affairs? If he does will his wife accept him back? What will become of his wife if he takes too long? Also what is the reason for doing all that work to go on a trip to see Death? F. This relationship between Odysseus is very loving and dominated mostly by Odysseus because in the beginning Circe begs for him, but somehow he is caught up with her and does not leave for a year, maybe under a subliminal charm by Circe. Also this extra trip that Circe is asking Odysseus to take will delay their trip for Ithaca even longer. |
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Post by michaelgenco on Oct 7, 2013 20:44:10 GMT -5
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The first question that I had was why does Hermes help Odysseus out? The only reason that it would make sense that he would do this was that he was sent by another god (Athena) to help Odysseus. Why does Hermes give specific directions to help Odysseus. Hermes says, “Now here’s you plan of action, step by step. The moment Circe strikes with her long thin wand, you draw your sword sheathed at your hip and rush her fast as if to run her through! She’ll cower in fear and coax you to her bed- but don’t refuse the goddess’ bed, not then, not if she’s to release your friends and treat you well yourself. But have her swear the binding oath of the blessed gods she’ll never plot some new intrigue to harm you, once you lie there naked- never unman you, strip away your courage!” This all seems really weird that Odysseus would follow a total stranger and do every little thing he says to do. Also, after Circe took all of his men as captive and wants to keep them all he still sleeps with her. WHAT? Just why. Lastly, Why does Circe want Odysseus to do all of these weird tasks, and why does Odysseus accept them willingly.
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One quote that I liked was: “He’d strayed from his mates in Circe’s magic halls and keen for the cool night air, sodden with wine he’d bedded down on her roofs. But roused by the shouts and tread of marching men, he lept up with a start at dawn but still so dazed he forgot to climb down again by the long ladder- headfirst from the roof he plunged, his neck snapped from the backbone, his soul flew down to Death. I thought that this was interesting because it is different how Odysseus describes how souls go to the after world.
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I agree with zaysofly’s part D I thought that it was funny that the youngest man died from being drunk.
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Oct 7, 2013 22:43:01 GMT -5
C. ONe question I had was why does Hermes help Odysseus? I believe this is the first time he is fully incorporated into the story. Maybe athena sends him because she is busy. Or maybe Hermes has somethign against the nypmh that wants to help Odysseus out. E. I was really surprised when Odysseus and the nymph become lovers. The lady who turns his men into pigs now wants to love this man. It doesnt really make sense. And im pretty sure he already has a wife, and that is where he is trying to get back to so its not really the time to stay on and island for a YEAR and have another lover. I. I agree with michaelgenco "He’d strayed from his mates in Circe’s magic halls and keen for the cool night air, sodden with wine he’d bedded down on her roofs. But roused by the shouts and tread of marching men, he lept up with a start at dawn but still so dazed he forgot to climb down again by the long ladder- headfirst from the roof he plunged, his neck snapped from the backbone, his soul flew down to Death." it ironic that he falls off the ship and dyes because he was drunk. |
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Post by nvanible on Oct 8, 2013 4:55:57 GMT -5
E. When Hermes gives advice to Odysseus, “Take it to Circe’s halls---its power alone will shield you from the fatal day. Let me tell you of all the witch’s subtle craft… She’ll mix you a potion, lace the brew with drugs but she’ll be powerless to bewitch you, even so---this magic herb I give will fight her spells,” I loved how he was brought into this scene. Although Athena has been arguably Odysseus’ greatest ally, I like how he appears occasionally. In addition, it represents that whole idea of dues ex machine and how “God” essentially comes at the last second to help save us from impending demise.
D. When Circe changes her thoughts on Odysseus, “…Let’s go to be together, mount my bed and mix in the magic work of love---we’ll breed deep trust between us,” other than this quote being based around a sexual innuendo, it was really surprising to see. Circe was this witch who seemed to have wanted to change all men into animals and or kill them directly. I had a “Déjà vu” moment when she started acting all flirtatious and compassionate towards Odysseus, as I remember how common this type of situation is within several famous stories. In addition, it amazes me how the first thing she wants to do with Odysseus, after just reforming herself, was to sleep with him.
I. When richteri16 discussed about Odysseus' youngest shipmate unintentionally murdering himself, I agreed with his point. It was sort of strange for the guy to be drinking. In addition, I felt that he was pretty much just shoved into the story at this one moment as I don't remember him being either reference or seen throughout the story so far. He seemed like the general depiction of a "Filler" character.
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Post by jotirmoykundu on Oct 8, 2013 5:54:21 GMT -5
C. One thing that I don’t understand about what happens on page 239.“Let me tell you of the witch’s craft … She’ll mix you a potion, lace the brew with drugs but she’ll be powerless to bewitch you, even so—this magic herb I give will fight her spells. Now here’s your plan of action, step by step. The moment Circe strikes with her long thin wand, you draw your sharp sword sheathed at your hip and rush her fast as if to run her through.” Why is Hermes telling Odysseus Circle’s plan? Is Hermes on Circe’s side or is he on Odysseus? Is there a reason why he is helping Odysseus at this point?
D. A part of this passage I liked was the dialogue between Hermes and Odysseus. "But wait I can save you, free you from the great danger. Look, here is a potent drug. Take it to Circe's halls--its power alone will shield you from the fatal day. Let me tell you of all the witch's subtle craft... this magic herb I give will fight her spells." I liked this because now we understand why Hermes is loyal and kind to Odysseus.
I. When richteri16 discussed about Odysseus' youngest shipmate killing himself by mistake, I agreed with his point. It was weird for the guy to be drinking. I felt that he was pretty much just added into the story at this one moment as I don't remember him being either reference. He seemed he was added to the story to fill in the story.
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Post by Cameron Smith on Nov 5, 2013 20:00:06 GMT -5
D. I found this dialogue between Hermes and Odysseus interesting because we don't really know what the reason for Hermes' loyalty and kindness towards Odysseus is. For example "But wait I can save you, free you from the great danger. Look, here is a potent drug. Take it to Circe's halls--its power alone will shield you from the fatal day. Let me tell you of all the witch's subtle craft... this magic herb I give will fight her spells."
G. I adore Circe's character in this last section of the book. I like her because he finally set Odysseus men free by turning them not just back to humans but to better more ideal human form. This is a very heart warming section of the book because Odysseus is finally reunited with his men. They cry of joy to see each other back as humans. Again Odysseus thanks Circe for what she has done but Circe gives Odysseus another mission. She tells him that he has to go to the House of Death and consult the ghost of Tiresias.
I.I agree with richteri16 on how close Odysseus and his crew are. Even though some of his crew had turned against him and all the waiting and hardship Odysseus had put them through they will always be as tight as a family would be. Odysseus
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