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Post by Mr. Thomas on Oct 5, 2013 15:04:29 GMT -5
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Post by petergiglio on Oct 5, 2013 15:28:51 GMT -5
G. If I were Odysseus I would just give up. He is clearly cursed and it seems like the odds are not in his favor and everybody is out to get him so and if he puts up a fight he is gonna end up dead or in a ditch or trapped in some place for eternity. Is what he did to the cyclops that bad I mean everybody makes mistakes. But I would just run or repent.
C. What confuses me is at some points of the story I can't really tell what time period we are in and I get lost. Don't get me wrong homer is a vey food writer but he is so detailed in his writing I sometimes get confused. You can't really skim through his writing you have to read it slowly and sometimes more than once that what I find myself doing. Like when he tells two different stories about the king I don't know if it's a dream or not cause he says he falls asleep after he tells the first story
A. The way that this relates to modern day life is that if you do something bad everybody is going to hate you for it like when Kanye west interrupted Taylor swift or what Chris brown did. If you are a known figure In society you really only get one chance
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Post by hessd16 on Oct 5, 2013 17:17:23 GMT -5
(Dakota Hess)
C. Some things that confused me were; why had the wind god not given Odysseus a second chance? Why would he call someone evil for having a mutinous crew? Was it not the wind god who had given Odysseus the treasure that turned the crew to mutiny? Was this a sign of unforgiving gods on Odysseus? Is this the start to Odysseus bad fortune?
B. without this reading we would not know about Odysseus’ past and find out all the other misfortunes he went through. This book is especially important to finding out the key to Odysseus strive.
I. I agree with peter on letter (G). “If I were Odysseus I would just give up. He is clearly cursed and it seems like the odds are not in his favor and everybody is out to get him so and if he puts up a fight he is gonna end up dead or in a ditch or trapped in some place for eternity. Is what he did to the cyclops that bad I mean everybody makes mistakes. But I would just run or repent.” This is a very good point. Odysseus is a man for the gods why is he being played upon by them? even though giving up is not the best option, repenting is!
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Post by rozzayhill007 on Oct 6, 2013 11:11:18 GMT -5
Jackson Hill
I. I also agree with Peter and Dakota that it is better to give up then to risk your life. It is obvious that he has no chance if he were to fight against the people so why try to act all macho by trying to defend against the people. While Odysseus does have a lot of pride for himself I would not put my life in danger over that I would just give up.
C. One thing that confuses me is on page 235 and Odysseus is telling another story, I scaled a commanding crag and, scanning hard, I could just make out some smokes from Circe’s halls, drifting up from the broad terrain through brush and woods. Mulling it over, I thought I’d scout the ground.” What is going on in these lines? I understand that he is telling a story but what is going on in these lines like what story is he telling. And what is the point of the story other than him being self-centered, and trying to prove how tough and macho he is.
D. One quote that I enjoyed was on page 234 at around line 134, “ They speared the crews like fish and whisked them home to make their grisly meal. But while they killed them off in the harbor depths I pulled the sword from behind my hip and hacked away at the ropes that moored my blue-powered ship of war and shouted rapid orders at my shipmates.” I like these lines for one because I feel like this scene could come straight out of a movie, which amuses me. I also like the descriptiveness of the quote as well.
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Post by richteri16 on Oct 6, 2013 12:14:56 GMT -5
D. I really like lines 22-38. The wind that Aeolus gives Odysseus gives reminds me of something from the SpongeBob Movie. In it SpongeBob is given a bag of wind to push him home with. While reading the directions to it aloud Patrick happens to follow along. Thus he winds up opening the bag of win and leaves them stranded on the shore. Thankfully somebody is there to save them. He is David Hasselhoff but that is a story for another time. I just find it very funny that the creators of SpongeBob decided to write this into the script. E. So, I thought that Aeolus was a pretty nice guy for helping out Odysseus with giving him a place to stay and the bag of wind (lines 1-31). But once they run out of wind and bust their butts to get back to hi he turns them away like a jerk (lines 70-83). I thought Odysseus and Aeolus were bros. And also you don’t just turn away a guest like that. I thought in that part of the world and during that time you had to treat your guests with the most respect. Well either way this was not the right call by Aeolus. He basically left them for dead. I.I have to disagree with petergiglio hessd16 and rozzayhill007. I think that you are better off to just keep going. Besides what is the difference between dying and having nothing to live for or with? You might as well give it a shot. |
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Post by Cameron Smith on Oct 6, 2013 14:58:57 GMT -5
D. A quote that I enjoyed was on page 234 around line 134, “They speared the crews like fish and whisked them home to make their grisly meal. But while they killed them off in the harbor depths I pulled the sword from behind my hip and hacked away at the ropes that moored my blue-powered ship of war and shouted rapid orders at my shipmates.” Though this line is very gruesome, it is also very descriptive and action-packed. I liked the fierceness of when he “shouted rapid orders at my shipmates”. It shows the fear in him and also the leadership and bravery to not try and flee but to stand and fight and give a sort of courage to his men.
E. I thought that Aeolus is nice guy for helping Odysseus out by giving him a place to stay and the bag of wind, but as soon as they run out of winds and try to get back to him he turns them away . I thought Odysseus and Aeolus were friends. I thought in that part of the world during that time you had to treat your guests like they were Gods. And this was not the right call by Aeolus. He basically left them for dead.
I. I agree with Jackson, Dakota, and Peter; I think he should try to pray to the Gods. He should do the great sacrifices and offerings he is known for. Maybe if he does these things he can make right with the Gods and end this terrible plagueing curse!
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Post by alis16 on Oct 6, 2013 15:03:36 GMT -5
Stephen Ali
Mr. Thomas
October 6, 2013
English 10
E. I felt that Aeolus was very nice to give Odysseus, the bag of wind which would of got him home. The place we was waiting to get to for 20 years, but the greed and curiosity of the crew with Odysseus crushed his dream of seeing home . They are forced to back to Aeolia to ask for help again, but this time Aeolus does not want to help ,because she believes the Gods are trying to harm or even kill Odysseus. I think that giving Odysseus another bag of wind couldn’t hurt anyone, but Odysseus so I think Aeolus was kind of being stubborn
G. Now this Aeolus loads him down with treasure. Favoritism, friend to friend! Hurry lets see what loot is in that sack, how much Gold and silver. Break- it opens now! If I was Odysseus in this scene I would be extremely mad and aggravated with my crew members. I would have probably thrown the person who opened the bag over board or killed him. I would have been extremely sad and disappointed and I would of probably jumped off ship and try to swim to Ithaca even though survival seemed slimmed.. Being so close to home and then having to start all over again helps us understand more why Odysseus is so eager and strives so hard to reach his home.
c. The thing I don’t understand is when his crew opens the bag and lets the winds out being so close to home how come Odysseus isn’t furious and doesn’t blame anyone.
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Post by hankmichels on Oct 6, 2013 16:11:17 GMT -5
B. I feel like this chapter is essentially a montage. It is including all of these random events that could be a chapter on there own, but instead are shortened to a couple of pages. We are not even halfway through the chapter and we’ve already had three significant parts of the story explained. Although upon reading the chapter title, im guessing the cerce thing takes up the entire chapter. “The bewitching queen of aeaea” (title) that’s also a dumb name, aeaea
E. I felt like the short scene with the Laestrygonians was pretty much a copy of the entire Cyclops chapter. The author was probably looking for filler and included this bit. It has giant, ugly creatures, men getting smashed and eaten, and boulders being thrown. It is hard not to agree that there are similarities. “Down from the cliffs they flung great rocks a man could hardly hoist” (Line 132) it reminds me of the boulder the Cyclops threw.
I. I agree with Dakota Hess about the wind thing. Why didn’t Aeolus give odysseus the wind again. It wasn’t even his fault, it was the crews, who odysseus didn’t even see to get mad at. If Aeolus is the wind god, I feel like it would have taken zero effort to bag the winds for odysseus again. Plus, it seems like all the gods wanted to help odysseus, so why didn’t he? “ Away from my island-fast- most cursed man alive” (line 79) that was pretty mean of Aeolus.
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Post by zaysofly on Oct 6, 2013 17:48:12 GMT -5
D: This Chapter of the Odyssey reminds me of the Movie SpongeBob: The Movie. It is about SpongeBob and Patrick going to find the kings crown in a forbidden, devilish town really far away from home. When they get to the end they find David Hasselhoff and he gives SpongeBob and Patrick a bag full of winds. They open the bag the opposite way and the bag of winds does not take them home. I just thought it was funny how The Odyssey and SpongeBob related. Now in SpongeBob, Patrick just opens the bag of winds too early. But in The Odyssey, Odysseus’s men think that he was secretly given a treasure, so they tear it open. In both stories, the easy way home, isn’t an option.
C: Why is it that the Gods hate Odysseus and mean to do him harm? Like, isn’t he supposed to be this great and powerful warrior? Also, is the Curse still going on at the time? Why do the Laestrygonians destroy all the ships? Also, is Athena still watching over Odysseus at the time, or have the Gods not stepped into the story yet?
G: If I were Odysseus I would have told my crew that the bag of air that they thought was treasure was evidently just a bag of air. Maybe then they could have just gone home, and the story of the Odyssey might have not been so long.
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Post by johnaviles on Oct 6, 2013 19:56:51 GMT -5
C. I was confused with why after Odysseus’ crew mates turn on him trying to take his loot and dishonor him, he would go and try to save them after they are trapped by Circe. It really shows how great of a leader Odysseus is saving his crew even after they might not have been the most loyal.
D. I enjoyed the part where they get to the Laestrygonian land and go to the king’s palace and are attacked and make it out alive. I enjoyed that part because they made it out alive even though some of their crew members were left it gave the crew some kind of home to return home. “From there we sailed on, glad to escape our death yet sick at heart for the dear companions we had lost.”
E. I was very upset when Eurylochus sensed it was a trap because obviously he gave it away there was a trap and that just meant more bad luck for the crew. I think to myself what worse could happen to them. “She opened her gleaming doors at once and stepped forth, inviting them all in, and in they went, all innocence. Only Eurylochus stayed behind-he sensed a trap…”
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Post by michaelgenco on Oct 6, 2013 21:06:52 GMT -5
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This half of the book brought my questions into my head. The first one was Why did Odysseus’ crew mates decide that they wanted to steal or see what Odysseus got in gold and silver, and why did wind bring them back to the island of King Aeolus. The second question I have is why does King Aeolus get so mad at Odysseus. King Aeolus says, “Away from my island-fast-most cursed man alive! It’s a crime to host a man or speed him on his way when the blessed deathless gods despise him so. Crawling back like this- it proves the immortals hate you! Out- get out!” Why would crawling back like this proves that the immortals hate hime? How would they hate him if his own crew mates wanted what was his? The next question that I had was
why does Odysseus leave his mens from the Laestrygonians, but when it comes to Circe’s island he decides to stay and try to rescue them? It seems really weird that he would do this, it seems like he doesn’t want to feel the regret of leaving them again.
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“From there we sailed on, glad to escape our death yet sick at heart for the dear companions we had lost.” It seems like this line was used so many times in this book and the last one. When they fought the Cicones, the Lotus island, the Cyclops, and now this.
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After reading the part about the Laestrygonians I thought about the Cyclops and how gruesome it is to just kill them right there.
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Post by stephanoscocoves on Oct 6, 2013 21:15:54 GMT -5
D. I really enjoyed the ending where Eurylochus tells Odysseus about what happened at the palace, and how terrible it is that he cant even talk at first. And then when Eurylochus begs Odysseus not to go he still goes and says. "I Must be off. Necessity drives me on." (line 301). C. I was really confused how they got back to the original island. I kind of got lost. I remember the wind taking there boat for six day and when they finally see land, he falls asleep and then wakes up back at the original island with the king. How? I. I agree with hessd16. Why didnt the king give him the wind twice. Why did the king get mad at Odysseus and not give him the wind a second time. |
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Post by Ray Park on Oct 6, 2013 21:15:59 GMT -5
C. I have so much anger for this part of the book. Why in the world did Odysseus's men open the bad of wind that sent the whole ship and crew flying towards the sea when they were inches away from their home? Were they actually going to steal the gold and silver that may have been inside the tightly sealed bag? Why did Odysseus have to sleep at that exact moment? Was that the beginning of Odysseus's lost at sea journey? I have so much question for this story. And finally, was this plot all because of Polyphemus's prayer to Posiedon and was this all Posiedon's doing?
D. This part of the book lines 1~301 reminds me of the Book Of mice and Men. In Mice and men, George and Lennie finally find a nice place to settle in and work and save money for their dream. They had everything going for them. They made good friends and they were getting a decent pay. They also had constant food and a place to sleep. But then one day while George was doing something else, Lennie accidently killed Candy, which happens to be the wife of the owner's son. Like Odyseusse's crew, they decided to open the bag of wind that Odysseus kept on his back. Both plans of both stories have been ruined because of an accidental mistake that characters have made.
I. I agree with Peter Giglio in the fact that Odysseus should just give up on life. He will not get anywhere and he is just running around in circles. After this part of the story, Odysseus just wanders from different islands for 10 years. He wouldn't have to waste so much time if he gave up earlier.
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Post by giants on Oct 6, 2013 23:18:45 GMT -5
Liam Duffy
I. Just like what Jackson, Peter and Dakota said when you have no chance of winning just give up. Odysseus is clearly outmatched here with all odds stacked against him. It’s like the whole world is against him and is in a lose –lose situation. I would just try and runaway to find some place to hide.
C. Why does everyone seem to hate Odysseus so much? He is a great and noble warrior. His crewmates are not loyal and dishonor him by trying to steal from him and the gods just seem to want to punish him, and then they open the bag of wind. But despite all of this Odysseus still keeps going on his journey and even tries to save his crew mates despite what they tried to do. There is also a lot of the story explained in this one chapter; a lot of things seem to be going on.
G. If I was Odysseus I would be furious at my crew mates for what they had , but would also feel kind of hopeless and not really sure what to do next. It seems like he just can’t win.
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Post by vazquezm16 on Oct 6, 2013 23:21:28 GMT -5
D. I really liked the quote about when Eurylochus returned to the ship and was too mortified by the events that happened to even explain what happened to Odysseus. “Back Eurylochus ran to our swift black ship to tell the disaster our poor friends had faced. But try as he might, he couldn’t get a word out. Numbing sorrow had stunned the man to silence-tears welled in his eyes, his heart possessed by grief.” I think this quote really conveys how shocked Eurylochus was by the event that happened. All of those shipmates that he had known were just suddenly brainwashed. They had gone from normal people to livestock.
E. I was shocked at how Odysseus’ shipmates suddenly betrayed him. They decided to open the last sack of what they thought was loot and it messed with their trip. Odysseus was so close to home but his mens’ greed had caused them to essentially go back to the beginning. Odysseus had trusted these men with his life and they were so quick to turn on him as soon as he fell asleep. I think it also might have been part Odysseus’ fault because he had been so determined to steer the ship. He could have handed off the job to any other person but he didn’t. I think Odysseus should have also told his men what was in the bag. It was an important thing and would have prevented this problem.
F. I don’t understand the relationship between Odysseus and King Aeolus. Aeolus gladly helped Odysseus the first time. I think Aeolus jumped to conclusions when Odysseus came back a second time. He had heard Odysseus’ story and knows about how the gods don’t like him but probably was too quick to react when Odysseus came back. Odysseus returned because of his shipmates’ greed, not any wrath from the gods.
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